Episode 40 · Charlie · April 20, 2024
Tugboat Charlie sits down with Scott Hammond for a story about getting to Humboldt through a long recovery process, not a straight line. He talks about the life he left behind in Texas, the Teen Challenge programs that helped shape his path, and the work of learning the difference between being sober and actually being in recovery. By the end, it’s a conversation about faith, accountability, and finding a place to get rooted.
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What this episode covers
- Charlie’s path from Texas to California and into Teen Challenge
- the difference he sees between sobriety and healthy recovery
- how faith, accountability, and processing pain changed his life
- the story behind the “Tugboat Charlie” nickname
- his work in construction and salvaging structures
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Scott Hammond: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, 100% Humboldt presents my new best friend, the man, the myth, the legend, Tugboat Charlie.
Charlie: Good to meet you. Glad to be here.
Scott Hammond: Glad to have you, man. It's like, uh, you know, you're kinda semi-famous online here locally, and you're a celebrity, and, uh, you, you already like Nick, so that's a good sign.
Charlie: It is.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: We had a wonderful conversation-
Scott Hammond: That's good
Charlie: … a few minutes ago.
Scott Hammond: He's a good guy, man.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: So tell, tell me about you. I wanna hear the Tugboat Charlie story. How did you get to Humboldt? I know you're from Texas and… So tell me, tell me from, uh, birth to today, how d- what was your journey
Scott Hammond: to get here?
Charlie: So to get here, lots of mistakes.
Scott Hammond: The mis-
Charlie: I never saw me-
Scott Hammond: The mistake trail
Charlie: … I never saw me coming to Humboldt County. Um, you know, I, uh, I was down in Texas, uh, 17 years ago.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: And, uh, I was tired. Brought in a 150-gallon, uh, propane tank into my house and tried to blow the house up and, and me with it, and, uh, that didn't work. And, uh, the next morning, my, uh, my first wife and my girlfriend at the time put me on a plane and sent me to
Charlie: California.
Scott Hammond: You were banned.
Charlie: Oh, dude, I was, I was kicked out, escorted out. They even gave me pocket money.
Scott Hammond: What part of Texas?
Charlie: I was down in, uh, Crosby at the time.
Scott Hammond: I don't know where that is.
Charlie: Right outside of Houston.
Scott Hammond: That's Houston, okay.
Charlie: Yeah. Like five minutes from the ocean.
Scott Hammond: Were you raised down there?
Charlie: I'm originally from San Antonio.
Scott Hammond: Okay.
Charlie: Born and raised in San Antonio.
Scott Hammond: Been there.
Charlie: And, uh, yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, the River Walk. That's cool.
Charlie: Oh, it's great, man.
Scott Hammond: Oh.
Charlie: It's beautiful.
Scott Hammond: That's great.
Charlie: It's getting bigger, too.
Scott Hammond: Oh, re- oh, they've expanded it.
Charlie: Yeah. Yeah.
Scott Hammond: It's fun. It's, it-
Charlie: My-
Scott Hammond: We went down there with Cable.
Charlie: My dad says that it takes, like, two days now to cruise the whole
Charlie: river now.
Scott Hammond: Oh, that's cool.
Charlie: They've got locks on it and just amazing.
Scott Hammond: Are you a Spurs fan?
Charlie: By default.
Scott Hammond: By default? Yeah, we got to go to Spurs game. It was fun, man. I, I like San Antonio. So, so the… How you got to California? You were forced here.
Charlie: I was forced here. Yeah, they put me on a plane. My brother was, uh, down in Fortuna. I mean, not Fortuna, Fontana.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And, uh, I reached out to him. I said, "Hey, I need a place to crash for…" The plan was 30 days.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know, sober up, clean up, and I was gonna go be a truck driver.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: That was the goal.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: My mom didn't want me to be a truck driver.
Charlie: And, uh, my brother said, "Hey, that sounds like a really great plan, and, uh, but before
Charlie: we do that, you're gonna go to Teen Challenge."
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: And I was like, "At this point, whatever you tell me to do is what I'm gonna
Charlie: do."
Scott Hammond: So you're, like, listening to people at that point.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: So you're desperate. You're bro- you're broken.
Charlie: Broken. I didn't have… I d- I was done. I was done. I, uh, I couldn't make decisions,
Charlie: obviously.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know? I didn't even know I had a concussion when I got here.
Scott Hammond: Oh, really?
Charlie: I was tore up, man.
Scott Hammond: Oh, man.
Charlie: I was beat up.
Scott Hammond: Drinking?
Charlie: Oh, you name it.
Scott Hammond: That's it.
Charlie: You name it.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. So did you go to Adult Teen Challenge down in Fontana?
Charlie: I actually started in San Diego Teen Challenge.
Scott Hammond: Really? Is that in San Diego, in downtown?
Charlie: Yep, downtown San Diego, right down by the college.
Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Charlie: Did that, uh, three months, then went to Riverside.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Did a year and a half for discipleship there.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: And, uh,
Charlie: from there, I went to our Bible school, which is TCMI, Teen Challenge Ministry Institute, in, uh, in South Gate.
Scott Hammond: That's in LA, right?
Charlie: Yep.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, my friend Jeff was gonna go there.
Charlie: Yeah. Had a lot of fun there. That was a great experience.
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: Um, did that. From there, I went, got on staff with Teen Challenge for about three years and-
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Where, where'd they send you? T- that same, SoCal?
Charlie: No. So, uh, Shafter Teen Challenge up here by
Charlie: Bakersfield.
Scott Hammond: Oh, wow.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Big go.
Charlie: Yeah. So I started in San Diego, and, uh-
Scott Hammond: Wow
Charlie: … 17 years later
Charlie: … 17 years later, I'm, I'm in the most beautiful place in the country, man.
Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah.
Charlie: I, I don't think… I've traveled a lot of places, and, uh, I've done a lot of things, but Humboldt County, man, this is, this is where I got planted. This is where I got rooted.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, yeah.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: I call it the original God's country. There's God's country, then the original God's country.
Charlie: Yeah. Now, if you've been to Montana, that's also-
Scott Hammond: That's, that's God's country
Charlie: … a guy from Montana said that this week in Maui. He goes, "Let me tell you about Montana."
Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah.
Charlie: So here's a map of the original God's country, all the way from Del Norte County down, and, and we're right here in Eureka somewhere. So I always got my map as my prop.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: It works.
Charlie: Yeah, it works. I don't get lost too easily.
Scott Hammond: No, you c- if you get lost, just walk over to the studio. We'll f- we'll get you located.
Charlie: Right.
Scott Hammond: So you just kept coming north with Teen Challenge and-
Charlie: Kept coming north. Um, I was just telling Nick that, uh, six years ago, I was on a, on a death mission. I was on a suicide mission with my, my, uh, my ex-wife. Uh, it's kinda weird to say that I'm a, I'm a widow.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Um, I didn't finish the paperwork, and she died in the process.
Scott Hammond: Is that right?
Charlie: Yeah. She died-
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … a couple of years ago.
Scott Hammond: Oh, wow.
Charlie: And, uh, I was just telling Nick, I said, "You know, if, if, uh, I, if I would've stayed on that track, man, I would've been dead."
Scott Hammond: You would've been-
Charlie: There was no doubt
Scott Hammond: … first.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: 'Cause I, I made a covenant with God that night, that afternoon, you know.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Uh, February 2018.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: You know, I said, "I'm done."
Scott Hammond: Huh.
Charlie: "And, uh, I'll follow you, whatever you want me to do from this day forward."
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: And, uh, the only thing I was came to do was just realign my spirit with Him.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know, get back in His will.
Charlie: And, um-
Scott Hammond: It's good. Surrender.
Charlie: Oh, my gosh, man. It, it's been the most amazing
Charlie: journey.
Scott Hammond: Uh-huh.
Charlie: You know? Uh, I tell, I was, I tell people that today there's a, a huge difference between sobriety and a healthy recovery.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know? There's-
Scott Hammond: Tell me
Charlie: … huge difference.
Scott Hammond: Tell me what that is.
Charlie: Processing.
Scott Hammond: Okay.
Charlie: Y- if you're not processing the hurt, if you're not facing the pain-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … then all you're doing is masking it with something else.
Scott Hammond: Wow, good.
Charlie: One, one of the things recently, I guess it was last year in, in, uh, on my… I have a Friday night ministry that I do.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And I was sharing with the, with the group that-Two pound, two pound bag of corn tortilla chips.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Yeah. I have, I have about six months free from, from, from eating those.
Scott Hammond: From-
Charlie: Dude, I would, I'd grab a bag and I'd-
Scott Hammond: And you would process them?
Charlie: Man, I'd, I'd palmed them, dude.
Scott Hammond: Just drove them.
Charlie: Two, three times a week.
Scott Hammond: You call that driving-
Charlie: It was bad
Scott Hammond: … driving that food.
Charlie: It was bad.
Scott Hammond: So you had a corn tortilla chip-
Charlie: I had corn tortilla-
Scott Hammond: … fetish
Charlie: … dude, it was bad.
Scott Hammond: You had to process that.
Charlie: You know.
Scott Hammond: So what happened to that?
Charlie: It-
Scott Hammond: Why'd you stop?
Charlie: You know, when I realized what I was doing.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I was numbing my pain. I was-
Scott Hammond: With food.
Charlie: With food.
Scott Hammond: Hey.
Charlie: I was, I was numbing the loneliness. I was numbing,
Charlie: um, other things that were happening in my life. I had some, some, um, I had some circumstances that came up that, that, uh, could have been handled differently.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: But my response was completely different from my character.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: And little by little, I started realizing that there is a difference when you have a healthy recovery.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: I have probably two, three sponsors. I've got probably, I don't know, 30 people that, my accountability team is huge.
Scott Hammond: Good.
Charlie: And so it's constant processing, constant processing. And one of the things that I found with that, uh, situation that happened, like, three years ago, I didn't go to the guy's house and, and punch him out.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: I didn't go and, you know, create a bigger mess.
Scott Hammond: Right. Make it worse.
Charlie: Yeah. And, and one of the things that I, I, I recognized after that was that for the first time in my life, I was not angry.
Scott Hammond: Huh.
Charlie: I was not angry, and to me that was, like-
Scott Hammond: Breakthrough stuff
Charlie: … uh, because I never thought I'd ever g- not be angry. I've got a scar that goes from this side of my forearm to this side of my
Charlie: forearm.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: There's 14 stitches inside, and for kicks and giggles, we did 13
Charlie: staples.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: You know? I lost six pints of blood.
Scott Hammond: So you had that arm tore open.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: What happened?
Charlie: I put it through a glass door.
Scott Hammond: Ouch. Oh.
Charlie: I went, I went to go hit the house. I was so mad, dude. I went to go hit the house, and where I was walking or storming in, I hit, I missed the wall and got hung up on the frame of the, the puppy door, the, you know, the glass patio puppy door, the dog door.
Scott Hammond: Sure. Sure.
Charlie: I got hung up on the frame and slashed my arm.
Scott Hammond: Ah.
Charlie: And, and you talk about the power of God. Not a s- nothing happened.
Scott Hammond: No tendon damage?
Charlie: Nothing. Nothing.
Scott Hammond: Huh.
Charlie: Six pints of blood. And I'll never forget, the nurse was like, "Sir, sir, you gotta get up, you gotta wake up. Sir, sir, if, if you fall asleep, you're gonna die."
Scott Hammond: 'Cause of the blood, loss?
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Like, you know, they were trying to keep me alive, and I started-
Scott Hammond: A lot of blood
Charlie: … laughing and I looked at her, I go, "God doesn't need me yet."
Scott Hammond: Oh.
Charlie: And I took a nap.
Scott Hammond: Yes. I was just sleeping. I was just resting.
Charlie: You know, but that's the kinda stuff that got me to California.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: So what brought you from Fontana here, or from-
Charlie: So I came here-
Scott Hammond: … from LA
Charlie: … from Bakersfield.
Scott Hammond: Bako.
Charlie: I came here from Bako. So I went from, uh, I went to the Teen Challenge in Shafter.
Scott Hammond: Okay.
Charlie: 'Cause I knew the guys there real well, and I had-
Scott Hammond: That's out there in nowhere
Charlie: … good relationships.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: It, it really is.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Nothing but orchards. Beautiful. Hot, but beautiful.
Scott Hammond: I think I had a friend in prison out there.
Charlie: Down near Tehachapi?
Scott Hammond: Tehachapi area.
Charlie: Yep.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, yep.
Charlie: And, um, so I went over there to go do…
Charlie: Excuse me.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, no problem. 'Cause that's way out in the middle of nowhere down by-
Charlie: Mm-hmm
Scott Hammond: … Bakersfield, where it's, where it really gets hot.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: So I went back over there because for alumni, you can go back and do a restoration.
Scott Hammond: Right.
Charlie: And it's typically six months, nine months, depending on your situation.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And, uh, so I went back there and they let me in. I spent about five there, five days there running the kitchen. Right off the bat. Love to cook.
Scott Hammond: You're a cook?
Charlie: Yeah, I love to cook.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And, um-
Scott Hammond: And eat chips.
Charlie: Oh, yeah, you know. I'm set free. And,
Charlie: uh-
Scott Hammond: Free, free to have chips.
Charlie: And, uh, I remember they called me back into the office and they said, "Hey, uh, we're not gonna do restorations here."
Scott Hammond: Huh.
Charlie: "So Eureka Teen Challenge, or what are your options?" And I said, "Well, Eureka Teen Challenge."
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: And, um, that's how I got here.
Scott Hammond: Oh.
Charlie: Friends of mine were the directors here.
Charlie: Still are.
Scott Hammond: Tom Throssell?
Charlie: Uh, uh, Josh Livingood.
Scott Hammond: Okay.
Charlie: I met Tom afterwards, but Josh and his wife, uh, I always misspell her name, Tamara, Timra. Anyways, but they were here, and we were, we went through the program together 11, 12 years ago or something like
Charlie: that.
Scott Hammond: Oh, so you knew him?
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: So I came up here and, um, and did my restoration, did a, did a, uh, apprenticeship.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Which is another three months,
Charlie: and, um, I loved it. Had nowhere else to go.
Scott Hammond: It's a great program.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, Tom was a guest-
Charlie: Oh, was he?
Scott Hammond: … here on the show. Yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Great guy.
Charlie: Great people. Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Oh, man. He's great.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: So then, so what's your job? What do you do?
Charlie: So technically, I do, uh, home construction.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Remodeling. I have my contractor's license now.
Scott Hammond: Oh, cool.
Charlie: Yeah. Yeah, I got that a couple years ago. So I do that, and then, um, I have fun.
Scott Hammond: My job is to have fun.
Charlie: My job is to have fun.
Scott Hammond: I want that job.
Charlie: I get to help people, man, you know?
Scott Hammond: That's cool.
Charlie: I, I love, I love what I do. I love, I love… I, I like putting it this way. I, I'm, I love to salvage structures.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I love to salvage them. Um-
Scott Hammond: You're in the right county.
Charlie: You know, I've, I've suspended roofs-Taking the frames
Charlie: out-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … and rebuilt them.
Scott Hammond: Oh, wow.
Charlie: You know, as long as you got some, some bones to work with, you can-
Scott Hammond: Gotta keep the walls up.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: 'Cause, yeah.
Charlie: Well, taking the walls out.
Scott Hammond: How did you become Tugboat Charlie?
Charlie: So Tugboat Charlie, uh, came about 17 years ago. San Diego Teen Challenge, it was a
Charlie: family day. My kid brother, his family came to visit me, and at the time I felt like God had put two guys for me to guide them, 'cause the decisions, the choices and decisions they were making inside the,
Charlie: the program-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … they were gonna get kicked out.
Scott Hammond: Okay.
Charlie: And I knew this. And, um, and I was telling my brother, I said, "I- it's kinda like when the ships come into port-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … the tugboats lasso them to guide them."
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And speed them up, slow them down.
Scott Hammond: Sure.
Charlie: The, the, the main purpose is so they don't crash.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, they avoid, they stay in the channel.
Charlie: Exactly.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, yeah.
Charlie: And so my brother slams the table. He's like, "Dude, that's your nickname." I'm like, "What are you talking about?" He's like, "Tugboat Charlie." And I'm like, "Okay, whatever." And, and that's how the name came about, and it, it took a lot of years for me to own it-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … and to really embrace it.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And over the last few years, I've really, the name
Charlie: really means more because I love to help people generally.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Um, and so it made sense to me. It's like, yeah, so that's the name of my company.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Tugboat Charlie's Construction Company.
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: I'm on Facebook, Tugboat Charlie, and-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … yeah.
Scott Hammond: Let's plug it, man. Facebook, Tugboat Charlie. Where else? Are you on, uh-
Charlie: TikTok.
Scott Hammond: You do TikTok too.
Charlie: Instagram, yep.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: We're working on getting on, uh, YouTube next and-
Scott Hammond: There you go
Charlie: … some of the other platforms.
Scott Hammond: Hey, I know somebody on YouTube.
Charlie: Who do you know on YouTube?
Scott Hammond: This guy. Well, I am a little bit.
Scott Hammond: Um-
Charlie: Scott Hammond?
Scott Hammond: 100% , yeah, 100% Hammond.
Charlie: 100% Hammond.
Scott Hammond: There's a lot of Scott Hammonds. There's Scott Hammond, he's a drummer for, uh, Jethro Tull, the rock band.
Charlie: Yep, remember that guy.
Scott Hammond: And there's a Scott Hammond, uh, he's a Nevada sen- state senator.
Charlie: Oh, really?
Scott Hammond: Yeah. No relation.
Scott Hammond: Go figure.
Charlie: Probably a good thing too.
Scott Hammond: Probably good, yeah. So, so what, what, what's your social media… I know it's kind of s- really positive stuff. What, what do you accomplish? What do you hope to… What's your purpose on social media?
Charlie: So part of it, it goes back to the healthy
Charlie: recovery.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Um, Friday Nights of Encouragement is my alternative recovery ministry I do at, uh, First Covenant Church here in Eureka on J Street.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Great church.
Charlie: And, uh, we get together on Friday nights, 7:00 to 9:00.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Uh, I've put out about 230 videos.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: The, the, the whole thing behind it is we are having the conversations nobody else is.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You can go to AA, NA, CR. They're all wonderful programs.
Scott Hammond: Sure.
Charlie: But there's some of us that we wanna talk about other stuff.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know? And we're talking about, you know, everything from the, you know, standing at the, standing in, in the living room, looking out the window and watching your parents leave, and you're sitting there sobbing.
Scott Hammond: Mm.
Charlie: And that's where your abandonment issue started.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And nobody's talking about that stuff.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, the deeper stuff.
Charlie: You know what I mean? Because-
Scott Hammond: The counseling stuff
Charlie: … the counseling stuff, and the root of the problem is in the heart.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: It's nowhere else.
Scott Hammond: That's right.
Charlie: It's in the heart. And once I start targeting the heart, then we can move forward.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: But until you're willing to sit down and really examine-
Scott Hammond: Mm
Charlie: … yourself, 'cause I don't, I don't tell you what to do.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: These are all suggestions. This is what worked for me.
Scott Hammond: Sure.
Charlie: You know, one of the biggest tools that, that I give people-
Scott Hammond: Sure
Charlie: … today, and if they use them, great, start writing.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Take a, take a piece of paper and a pen, and I'll never forget when I first started doing this, I, I grabbed a pen like a fist-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … and I had a notebook, and I just started scribbling.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: 'Cause I was so angry-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … so hurt, so broken.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And little by little, like, it became profanity.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: After that, they became sentences. Over time, words started coming out.
Scott Hammond: Chapters.
Charlie: And, and all that stuff.
Scott Hammond: Paragraphs.
Charlie: You know what I mean?
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And then there were times where I just had to burn them.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And sometimes in my anger, just shred it up.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know? And when I started looking at me, when I really, really started… You know, when people came around and really put me in check-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … the important part was that they didn't let me go.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: They saw me struggle. They'd back off, and then they'd come back. You know, I have a, a… I call her my, uh, my, uh, my life coach now. You know, she went from, from my pastor to my, to my financial manager to my sponsor. Now she's just my life coach, you know, a wonderful lady that the Lord put in my heart, in my life, and because of her relentlessness-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … I am where I am today.
Scott Hammond: That's cool.
Charlie: You know? And there's… And so I give that back.
Scott Hammond: I'll be curious to, after the show, to find out who that is.
Charlie: Oh, I'll, I'll tell you.
Scott Hammond: Is this somebody local?
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Still? Okay.
Charlie: Yeah. Wonderful lady. Yeah.
Scott Hammond: That's cool.
Charlie: And, uh, but, but that's, you know, that's where it's at. It, if it's in the heart, if you can deal with it, if you can-
Scott Hammond: Guard, guard your heart, yeah
Charlie: … honestly, if you honestly can look at it, there really is change. You know? And it goes back to the, the healthy recovery.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Because now we're really working on stuff.
Scott Hammond: You're processing it through the Word.
Charlie: You're processing, you're working it, and you're actually-
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … doing something about it.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: There, there's a scripture that I absolutely love 'cause it, it really helped me a lot, was, uh, um, when the disciples and Christ are walking-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … and the disciples are like, "Hey, there's some people over here that are sick, that they need our help." And, and Jesus turns around and says, "Hey, let the dead bury the dead."
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: "You and I got things to do."
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And that's when I started real- realizing, hey, your past is your past.
Scott Hammond: Mm.
Charlie: It's time to, you gotta hash that.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You gotta let it go.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And so when, when I started looking and reflecting on that scripture-
Scott Hammond: Hmm
Charlie: … it really made a lot of sense because I was able to honestly-Put people in the ground where they
Charlie: belonged
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: And not in the physical sense. I didn't kill anybody-
Scott Hammond: No, no
Charlie: … just for the record. But-
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … um-
Scott Hammond: That's good
Charlie: But, you know, disclaimer.
Scott Hammond: We thought about it, though. We thought about a couple hundred.
Charlie: I did. You know. So, but, but when I started looking at my past and some of the hurts and, and actually being able to write it down-
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … burn it, shred it, whatever it took, well, that's what you're doing. You're actually, you're burying something. You're actually leaving it behind.
Scott Hammond: It's forgiveness, too.
Charlie: And, and it's done.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know? And that brings me to another thing. A couple of years ago, I went to Oregon, um, went up to, uh, Elevation Worship.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And went to church the next day, and this little old lady just took my hands and greeted me, you know. And, and right before the service starts, um, the pastor has us turn around and greet somebody, and the lady grabs me, and she goes, "I see so much love in you."
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: "Why is there so much love in you?" And the only response-
Charlie: … was grace.
Scott Hammond: Huh.
Charlie: I am so full of grace-
Scott Hammond: Hmm
Charlie: … from giving it-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm, receiving it
Charlie: … to receiving it.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: Because that's what love is. Love is grace. And I don't care what relationship it is.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Your dog, dude, if you don't have grace for your dog-
Scott Hammond: That's right
Charlie: … you're constantly kicking him and, you know-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … shouting at him, and where's the grace?
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: There's no grace.
Scott Hammond: Grace in your kids.
Charlie: You know what I mean? So.
Scott Hammond: I do.
Charlie: Yeah, I don't have kids, so.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Dog.
Scott Hammond: That's close to the… There's probably some kids in your life somewhere, man.
Charlie: Oh, there's, you know, I have so many. I s- I have such an amazing spiritual family.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: A couple of weeks ago, I recognized-
Scott Hammond: Probably, probably uncle or something
Charlie: … that, uh, well, I have grandchildren now.
Scott Hammond: Okay.
Charlie: I didn't even know that, and I'm like, "Dude, this is so cool. I got spiritual grandparent, grandchildren," you know? And I was like, dude, that, what a treat. What a blessing, you know? And, and I, ever since I started looking at things from the perspective of this is a God moment-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … it's not chance. It's not
Charlie: coincidence.
Scott Hammond: By design.
Charlie: It's design.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, mm-hmm.
Charlie: But if you do not recognize it as a God moment, then it's just another
Charlie: moment.
Scott Hammond: It's just random-
Charlie: You see what I'm saying?
Scott Hammond: … whatever. Yeah, totally.
Charlie: So if you can call it a God moment-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … then that's what it is.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Until you have that experience, then you will never know
Charlie: God.
Scott Hammond: It's a mindset.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And everything is perspective.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. That's good.
Charlie: Everything, everything is perspective.
Charlie: Everything, the, the most, for instance, that incident I had a couple of years ago, when I started looking at it from something good is going to come out of
Charlie: this, because it started helping me because I was making mistakes with my
Charlie: business.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I was making mistakes with my business, and it had to come to a halt.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: And it took that situation to bring me to a
Charlie: stop.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: And it was painful. It was-
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … brutal. It, it, you know, I, I, it took the wind out of my sails. I lost my confidence.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: But I started looking at it from the perspective of something good is absolutely gonna come out of it.
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: And I didn't kill anybody. I didn't chase anybody. I didn't, I didn't do any of the things that I was doing. I didn't numb myself with substances or beverages, you
Charlie: know? And so, like, when I started looking at everything from that perspective, I'm like, "I'm gonna be okay."
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: You know? And then processing, man, processing and processing.
Scott Hammond: Sometimes processing is stopping.
Charlie: It is.
Scott Hammond: Being, being, being checked up.
Scott Hammond: Stop.
Charlie: Mm-hmm.
Scott Hammond: You know? And you-
Charlie: It really is
Scott Hammond: … you blew it. You made a mistake.
Charlie: Yep.
Scott Hammond: And, uh, I love that. So processing and being skilled at that and being aware of that
Scott Hammond: is not, i- is, is w- is the most replete form of recovery.
Charlie: It is.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, I like that. I like your point on that.
Charlie: There's
Charlie: … When I s- when I realized I had mild depression, I realized something. I had to acknowledge it.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I had to accept it, and then I had to let it go.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: Yes, I have mild depression. Yes, it is affecting me. Time to move on. How do I move on? What do I need to do? Because I was getting stuck. I was, I, I had to get home.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: As active and as busy as I am in the community and in
Charlie: public-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … I was scared of people.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I was deathly afraid of women.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And anytime I s- I started feeling, like, uncomfortable-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … dude, I, I had to, I felt like I had to be home.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And it's the ugliest feeling in the world-
Scott Hammond: Hmm
Charlie: … till I started understanding what I was going through.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: And then I started reaching out to different people and, and-
Scott Hammond: Wow
Charlie: … processing with them. Hey, this is what I'm experiencing.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Why?
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: Cool.
Charlie: And so-
Scott Hammond: You were vulnerable.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You have to. I mean, I, I wouldn't be where I'm at today if I didn't.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Um-
Scott Hammond: I like it, and I think men specifically are not vulnerable because vulnerability creates intimacy in the best sense of that word to be, to be real, you know, right now.
Scott Hammond: Um-
Charlie: It does
Scott Hammond: … you know, and, and having a conversation that's, that's real and vulnerable and the, it's about the real stuff, man. This is not the green Martian God-
Charlie: Exactly
Scott Hammond: … in the backyard. This is, like, I'm having, I'm having God moments, man-
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … all the time.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: You know, it's, it's good, and it, this stuff has purpose, even the bad stuff.
Charlie: It does. It really does. You know?
Charlie: And one of the things that, I had a friend of mine, we ran into each other at, um, at one of the hardware stores,
Charlie: and, uh, bright, cheery conversation.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Not two seconds later, he comes in just storming, you know? And somebody did said something, and, and he started mouthing off and just kinda started hitting things. And I'm like, "See? See the difference?"
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: You got in the flesh.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: You reacted.
Scott Hammond: You flipped out.
Charlie: You reacted.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Had you responded, you'd be in the spirit. You're grounded. You're at peace.
Charlie: You're-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … rational. You're thinking.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: The minute you reacted and you-
Scott Hammond: Yep
Charlie: … went and hit something-
Scott Hammond: Yes
Charlie: … doesn't matter what it wasEverything that we just talked about had no, no value.
Scott Hammond: Right.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: Right.
Charlie: And those are the things that I help people understand that if, if I, who put a hand through a g- glass door out of
Charlie: anger-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … today does not experience that anger-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … then there is hope for you.
Scott Hammond: Absolutely.
Charlie: And, and how do we get you there?
Scott Hammond: If you could do it, I could do it.
Charlie: Yeah, absolutely.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Uh, there no doubt in my mind.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, yeah.
Charlie: I'm just a poor boy from San Antonio, Texas.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, that's
Charlie: You know what I mean?
Scott Hammond: I'm just a guy from Iowa.
Charlie: I, you know, I'm just a poor boy from San Antonio. I've seen the world.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: I was a flight attendant for eight years.
Scott Hammond: Oh, really?
Charlie: You know? Oh, yeah.
Scott Hammond: What airline?
Charlie: Uh, Continental Airlines.
Scott Hammond: That's funny. You were an attendant?
Charlie: I was a flight attendant.
Scott Hammond: So you were a good-looking young man, I would say.
Charlie: I was, man.
Scott Hammond: What happened?
Charlie: They said I was cuter when I wore the apron.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. I bet you were.
Charlie: You know, it was a great life. It was a great experience.
Scott Hammond: How about that?
Charlie: Got to see the world and-
Scott Hammond: Wow
Charlie: … and, and to be where I'm at today and to tell people that you can honestly enjoy an amazing life.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You really can.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know? Um, there's days that I have money, there's days that I don't have money, and yet-
Scott Hammond: You have joy
Charlie: … I'm having the, the greatest time of my life.
Scott Hammond: That's awesome. Yeah, I, um, I liked what you put up on, uh, Facebook a couple weeks ago 'cause, so pe- people that know this that live here, and I'm gonna tell you, you, what you know, it's been a long winter, dude.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: It's like the windiest, wettest, darkest, and, uh, I might add spiritually dark-
Charlie: Mm-hmm
Scott Hammond: … in many ways. Be- what's going on nationally and what's going on lo- whatever, and it's easy to feed that and drink that and-
Charlie: Mm-hmm
Scott Hammond: … and snort that and smoke that and, and, and eat that, and, and pretty soon you're going, "I'm, I'm s- I can't process anymore"-
Charlie: Yep
Scott Hammond: … to your words. And but you came online and you said, um, I forgot how you said it. You said, "Hey, man, it's normal. It's a gray day. It's normal to have a little depression."
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: "I, I deal with it." And I go, "Wow, man, the guy gave me permission to process."
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: And to, to recognize, like you said, and to own it and to process it and move through it.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: And I thought that was good. So, so what was that? Do you remember what you said?
Charlie: So my favorite line out of that one-
Scott Hammond: Do you remember that one?
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Okay.
Charlie: I said, "This is what depression looks like." This is what it looks like.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Functioning. Functioning depressionist.
Scott Hammond: Function, that was it. Yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: That was it.
Charlie: You know? Because it, it, work, serving, doing everything, but inside just
Charlie: miserable.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Uh, I was telling Nick, you know, that one got so many responses. It's very humbling what I get to do today.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: But I had so many people reach out and just thank me, and others just poured their heart out.
Scott Hammond: That's cool.
Charlie: I had, I had a friend of mine who, um, I was working out with him one morning and he goes, "Hey, man, I know we're working out, but I gotta confess." And I'm like, "What's up, bro?" He goes, "Right now I just don't know whether to cry or just hug you," you know?
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: Because he said, "That's me."
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: "That's me. That's me." You know?
Scott Hammond: Uh-huh.
Charlie: And, and when I get those, uh, responses, when I get those, uh, reactions and those, I don't like the word confessions, but when-
Scott Hammond: Mm
Charlie: … people come up and say that-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … I know that it's helping.
Scott Hammond: That's good.
Charlie: I know that it's helping, you know, because, uh, my motto is don't do life alone.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Amen.
Charlie: No matter what. Don't… The minute you start isolating, the minute you start-
Scott Hammond: Mm
Charlie: … shutting yourself off, the minute you start running back inside the house and-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … turning the TV on-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … it's all bad.
Scott Hammond: You run away, man.
Charlie: You know? Exactly.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. Now we have a, a dentist friend, he goes, "You know, you can't live independently, man."
Charlie: No.
Scott Hammond: It's, it's a lie. It's an American Western lie. And, you know, the Lone Ranger's independent and he's got arrows-
Charlie: Yep
Scott Hammond: … all over his back.
Charlie: He does.
Scott Hammond: Scars. You know, so we need to be dependent on each other-
Charlie: Yep
Scott Hammond: … on God, and then on, and inter- interdependent.
Charlie: Interdependent.
Scott Hammond: Which is, is really the next le- next level stuff, which I like to think about. But yeah, I, I think that was inspired and timely. It was kind of like-
Charlie: Thank you
Scott Hammond: … you, you had, um, you were tracking and then you, you put that out there,
Scott Hammond: and it was-
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … you know, for those who saw it-
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … pretty good. So Tugboat Charlie on facebook.com.
Charlie: On Facebook.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And do-
Scott Hammond: Yeah, yeah
Charlie: … at the website.
Scott Hammond: You have a website too?
Charlie: Yeah. We're getting ready to fix it.
Scott Hammond: Plug, plug it. What's the we- what's the website called?
Charlie: Tugboatcharlies.com.
Scott Hammond: Charlie, S, with an S?
Charlie: Uh, I don't remember. It might be.
Scott Hammond: You can, hey, man, like my kids say-
Charlie: Google it. Google it
Scott Hammond: … Google it.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Just Google that stuff.
Charlie: I don't know. I, I can't remember if I have an S on there or not.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, that's all right.
Charlie: But yeah, so.
Scott Hammond: Find you?
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: You're easy to find. And that's, uh, 100% Humboldt by Scott Hammond. It's really hard to find. I don't know why.
Scott Hammond: It's, uh- People, people are, needed to find it. So what, what do you see the issues for Humboldt around, um, the re- maybe if you wanna talk about recovery some more or celebrate recovery, what, what do you see are, are main issues that you wanna see change?
Charlie: Hey, Nick, interesting question.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. Did Nick already-
Charlie: We were-
Scott Hammond: He was already got that
Charlie: … we were just having that. You wanna know?
Scott Hammond: Yeah, absolutely.
Charlie: The truth?
Scott Hammond: Sure.
Charlie: Separation.
Scott Hammond: Separation?
Charlie: Everywhere you go, man, we're creating separation.
Scott Hammond: That's crazy.
Charlie: I don't care if it's in the church body, recovery, work.
Scott Hammond: Family.
Charlie: E- even in families, man.
Scott Hammond: Family.
Charlie: I'm, I'm getting ready to officiate a wedding in a couple of weeks and, and they're two very different people.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And the, there's an age difference, there's a culture difference, there's a ethnicity difference.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And, uh, the word that I have for them is separation.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: Everybody wants to come to separate that instead of coming together to unite it and actually celebrate it.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And in our lives in general, that's what we're creating.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: I don't care if it's in recovery. I don't care what group it is. You have these cliques, and for whatever reasons, we can't come together,
Charlie: you know?
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: I, that's why I love Friday Nights of Encouragement. I don't, we're not, we're not, um, sanctioned by anyone.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: We're doing something completely different.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: We use a little bit of, of AA and NA and CR and, and everything else because that's what it's taken to get where I'm at.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And all these things work together.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know, one of our mottos is, "Hey, it's bring a friend night."
Scott Hammond: Yep.
Charlie: Or you know what? Just bring a stranger
Scott Hammond: What's the address of First Covenant?
Charlie: It is 2526 Jay Street.
Scott Hammond: Jay in Eureka, every Friday?
Charlie: Every Friday.
Scott Hammond: What time?
Charlie: 7:00 PM, 7:00 to 9:00 on Fridays.
Scott Hammond: So you thinking about going out, go out to this.
Charlie: Friday nights of encouragement, live music, food.
Scott Hammond: Nice. What's-
Charlie: I always, I love to cook, man.
Scott Hammond: Chips?
Charlie: No chips.
Scott Hammond: No chi-
Charlie: I love to cook.
Scott Hammond: That's cool.
Charlie: But, but we're, but we're doing it together, and it's the whole family.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, that-
Charlie: It's not the kids in one room getting one education.
Scott Hammond: Oh.
Charlie: No, man. We got kids running around. One night we had, like, 10, 15 kids running around.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: Because that's the family.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know, we destroyed the family.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And, and where's the separation start?
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: It started there.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know? And, and then you took it to church, and then you took it to the workforce, and then-
Scott Hammond: Right
Charlie: … and it constant just-
Scott Hammond: And political on TV all the time
Charlie: … y- you know what I mean? And we're not… If we bring it together-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … um, I was sharing a story of, of a guy that came and, and, and spoke at one of my Friday nights, and he was sharing the story of his car
Charlie: got stolen.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And the guy that stole the car was there. That was amazing.
Scott Hammond: That's cool.
Charlie: Couple of days later, I get a phone call. He's like, "Guess what I'm doing?" I'm like, "What's up?"
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: "Dude, I'm having lunch with the guy that stole my car."
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: Because there was forgiveness.
Scott Hammond: That's cool.
Charlie: There was forgiveness, there was grace, and there was unity. See, there wasn't separation.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: We create the separation.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know? And that is so important, and that's the biggest thing that I see locally-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … na- nationally. It's-
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … if we can stop that, if we can honestly help one another, we really, really can make a difference because-
Scott Hammond: Good work
Charlie: … I, I'm, I'm, I'm happy. I'm living the best life ever.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I want you to have it, too.
Scott Hammond: Right on.
Charlie: It's not about, oh, look at me, 'cause people know I don't like the public eye. I don't like the spotlight.
Charlie: I don't-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … that's not what it's about.
Scott Hammond: Right.
Charlie: It's about let me help you get where I'm at today.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Because you can do it.
Scott Hammond: Right.
Charlie: And it doesn't matter whether you're in church or you're not in church, whatever it is-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … that helps you because I think AA says it, "Hey, if let God express himself in a way that you understand
Charlie: it."
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Right? Whatever your higher power is. And that begins to bring unity.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: And we can actually move forward. We can actually get things done.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And the biggest thing is we can heal.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: We can heal because if I'm willing to share some of the darkest things in my heart-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … then my, my hope is that it's gonna give you,
Charlie: empower you-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … to do that with somebody else. I'm not saying that you're gonna come and do it with me. I may not be the right person for you.
Scott Hammond: Sure.
Charlie: But if it empowers you-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … to actually dig deep and actually pull that root out and actually let it heal-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … then you're gonna have something that's gonna grow out of that pain that is so
Charlie: beautiful.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And you will never understand how it happened, why it happened.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: It just one day it happened.
Scott Hammond: Good work.
Charlie: And, and that's, that's where I'm at right now in my life.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: There's things that I'm just… I got pulled over in Crescent City, really nice cop. I really wanted to tell him I was just stupid happy. You know? 'Cause I was, I was on one of those highs.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: I'm not high, man. I'm just stupid happy.
Charlie: I'm just stupid happy. You know? But I had just met the guy that was walking the country, and you know, I kinda lost, you know, sight of the, uh, you know, speedometer a little bit.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: Was he cool about it?
Charlie: Yeah, he was super chill, and, uh, still gave me a ticket, but …
Scott Hammond: Still got a ticket.
Charlie: But the word that, that came after that was it's okay to be stupid happy.
Scott Hammond: Ah.
Charlie: There's nothing wrong with being stupid happy.
Scott Hammond: That's right.
Charlie: You know, I, I, I-
Scott Hammond: Does, does no harm, usually
Charlie: … oh, my gosh. You know, I, I speak on a regular basis, and I had somebody come up, and I was in my head, you know, thinking, dealing with stuff, and guy comes up, and he's like, "Smile, dude. It's okay. It's not that bad." You know? And I'm like, "What are you talking about? I'm okay." "But you know, your face says it all." You know?
Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah.
Charlie: But, but I, I love to tell people, man, just be stupid happy.
Scott Hammond: That's good.
Charlie: You know? Because it, it, it, it isn't that bad.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know, I've d- I've … The things that I've survived, the suicide attempts that I've overcome-
Scott Hammond: Hmm
Charlie: … I, I can tell you for a fact that there isn't anything that bad-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … that you're gonna take your life.
Scott Hammond: That's right.
Charlie: You know? It really, really isn't. It does get dark. It does get painful. It does get lonely. Yes, those things do happen.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: But if you're not numbing yourself, your odds of overcoming it and helping somebody else are so much greater.
Scott Hammond: Better.
Charlie: You know what I mean? And I'm living proof of that. I'm, I'm testimony witness, however you wanna label me.
Scott Hammond: I like what you said, that if you could identify it-
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … the root-
Charlie: Mm-hmm
Scott Hammond: … your heart issues, and then process that, then you could maybe talk about it with somebody.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Or in a group or a friend or a safe person that you treasure and that loves you, and yeah, that's good.
Scott Hammond: I like that.
Charlie: You know one of my favorite things to do? Talk to a stranger. Dude, sit in a plane with somebody.
Scott Hammond: It's good, man.
Charlie: They're trapped, dude, for, like, an hour, two hours.
Scott Hammond: Five.
Charlie: You know? They're trapped.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. You're not going anywhere.
Charlie: All they're gonna do is listen.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, what are they gonna do?
Charlie: And you'll never see them ever again.
Scott Hammond: Imagine the opportunity. Hey, my name's Scott.
Charlie: You know what I mean?
Scott Hammond: Yeah. High five.
Charlie: If you're having those moments where you really don't have anybody you wanna tell, go sit in a bus.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. Take a bus ride.They can move in a bus.
Scott Hammond: They-
Charlie: You know what I mean?
Scott Hammond: In an airplane, you're stuck, though. You're assigned seating.
Charlie: Oh my gosh. But s-
Scott Hammond: So-
Charlie: But, but it exists, man
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … you know, just, you know, get it off.
Scott Hammond: Go meet some people.
Charlie: You know, just get it off. You know, I'm not talking about going and making a lifelong relationship, and people get all these things so twisted, you know? It's so simple.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. Just go be with somebody.
Charlie: Just go be with somebody. Go buy them a cup of coffee or-
Scott Hammond: That's true, man
Charlie: … or just go sit next to them and say hi.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You never know.
Scott Hammond: It's funny, I just came from a place where everybody had their game face on. It was grim jaw, and they were walking around, and, and, and I go, "What? I… This is the happiest place in the world, and you're walking around like you're-
Charlie: Exactly
Scott Hammond: … like you're bummed out and, and, and trying to be somebody you're not, and you're uncomfortable." And I, and, and when I took the time to talk to people, "Hey, how's it going?" "Hey, you talk- oh, you talking to me?"
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: "Oh, well, it's going good. Thank you." And then, and, and then we're off to the
Scott Hammond: races.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Then we could talk, and, you know, met a few p- really nice people that way.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: And other people, it's just like that, no, they're still awkward. It's gonna be weird. And that's okay, too. B- God bless them.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: So what do you do to make a positive difference in Humboldt? What, what do you think is your key? You do the Friday night deal. You do your Facebook deal, your, your, your social media. Uh, you meet strangers randomly and-
Charlie: Oh, yeah
Scott Hammond: … make them uncomfortable.
Charlie: Real uncomfortable. Um, you know, the, the, the vessel that, that I've been blessed with is a motorcycle.
Scott Hammond: Oh, right, right.
Charlie: It, it-
Scott Hammond: MMA, right?
Charlie: It, uh, I, I ride with CMA.
Scott Hammond: CMA. Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I ride with CMA. And, uh, I belong to, uh, United Bikers Northern
Charlie: California.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. So you know, you know, uh, uh, Pierre Carbonneau?
Charlie: I do.
Scott Hammond: You know Pierre?
Charlie: Yeah. We call him Papa.
Scott Hammond: Papa Pierre. Yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: He's the papa. And then, uh, Kenny- Ken Tinkham.
Charlie: Yep, Chaplain Ken. Yep.
Scott Hammond: Is Chaplain Ken part of, uh, CMA?
Charlie: He is.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: He's our chaplain right now.
Scott Hammond: That's right. Yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: And you guys, didn't you have a, is there a thing they used to do in Anderson or in Red Bluff? It was, uh-
Charlie: Uh, Jubilee Campout.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: You guys do that every year?
Charlie: That's in two weeks.
Scott Hammond: Oh, are you gonna be there?
Charlie: I won't. I'll be officiating a wedding that Saturday.
Scott Hammond: But that's, that's music and live and-
Charlie: It's three days, live music, food.
Scott Hammond: Fun.
Charlie: Food.
Scott Hammond: Go gets the food.
Charlie: My fav- my, my favorite part is the, uh, the Friday night and Saturday night campout meeting.
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: It is so cool, man.
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: So cool. Everybody's gathered around a fireplace and-
Scott Hammond: Men and women.
Charlie: Yep.
Scott Hammond: Everybody.
Charlie: Yep.
Scott Hammond: Families.
Charlie: Oh, yeah. It's a biker event, man.
Scott Hammond: That's cool, man. No, that's cool. No, the, uh, uh, all the AMVETS-
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … uh, they come to our Humboldt Heroes deal.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: And they all support, and they're always there. They're super helpful, man. Uh, shout out to AMVETS Local.
Charlie: And that, and, and again, it brings us back to
Charlie: unity.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Because in the biker community, like, man, you put us together, we move mountains.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: You know? And that's one of the things that I've been very, uh, fortunate to be a part of and that has really, really opened amazing doors in Humboldt County for me-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … uh, to reach people-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … you know, and, and to connect people and-
Scott Hammond: Hmm
Charlie: … has really been the biggest thing for me that-
Scott Hammond: Hmm
Charlie: … I never saw myself doing. I'd never owned a big bike.
Scott Hammond: Oh, really?
Charlie: I've had a couple of bikes-
Scott Hammond: Uh-huh
Charlie: … you know, when I was younger, but I never owned a big bike.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I've had, I've had Mary Lou now, what, four years.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. She's got a name.
Charlie: She's got a name, man.
Scott Hammond: Mary Lou.
Charlie: She's got hips, too.
Scott Hammond: Ah.
Charlie: And, uh-
Scott Hammond: I bet she does
Charlie: …
Charlie: and, uh,
Charlie: so for me, riding the twisties around here-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … it took time, man. It took time to-
Scott Hammond: Figure it out
Charlie: … figure it out and get comfortable in that.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And, and today it's, you know, it gives me, gives me great confidence to be able to talk to people, and-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … it, icebreaker.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Park a bike anywhere, man.
Scott Hammond: Right.
Charlie: Um, we've used her at different functions, different events. I've been called by different, uh, organizations, "Hey, can, can you come and, and bring your bike?" It has nothing to do with me.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Here's the opportunity.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know, and I tell-
Scott Hammond: Yeah, I saw your bike. You, it's a cool bike.
Charlie: Thank you.
Scott Hammond: Is it a u- unusual Harley?
Charlie: Uh, it's an unusual Yamaha Harley, yeah.
Scott Hammond: It's a Yamaha. Yama-Harley. I thought it was a Har- I just kinda glanced at it.
Charlie: Somebody, somebody asked me if I had tools one day, and I was like, "I, I ride a Yamaha."
Scott Hammond: Yeah. I never need them.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: After I said it, I realized what I said.
Charlie: I'm like-
Scott Hammond: Harley guys go-
Charlie: … "Oh, well."
Scott Hammond: Every s-
Charlie: I can't wait to get my first one. I'll eventually get my first Harley, but-
Scott Hammond: It's all right
Charlie: … but, uh, I love my girl, and, um, yeah, she's given me so many opportunities here in Humboldt, and-
Scott Hammond: That's cool. And you guys do a lot of good, good deed stuff, right?
Charlie: We do-
Scott Hammond: Do you do the toy run and stuff like the other guys?
Charlie: We do. So we are on, this'll be what, our 49th? 49th toy run, if I'm not mistaken.
Scott Hammond: You guys are the toy run guys, the-
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … where you go up to Arcata?
Charlie: It might be longer.
Scott Hammond: Oh.
Charlie: Yeah, we go Arcata to Eureka.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: But we are the longest-running cons- we are the longest consistent running toy run in the country.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: We didn't shut down for COVID or anything.
Scott Hammond: That's amazing.
Charlie: Yep.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: And then, um, so we do that one. We do Backpack for Kids.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: We do, um-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … Meals, uh, Meals for Seniors.
Scott Hammond: That's cool.
Charlie: Yeah, yeah. We're big supporters of, uh-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … what is it? Feed the People.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Food, Food-
Charlie: Food For People.
Scott Hammond: Food For People.
Charlie: Thank you.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Food For People here in Eureka.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, the food bank.
Charlie: Yep.
Scott Hammond: Yep.
Charlie: Do that, and then of course our vets.
Scott Hammond: Sure.
Charlie: You know? And then what's, what's really unique about UBNC is you have all these different clubs-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … different organizations that, that ride. Then we have the independents.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And everybody supports some type of organization.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And together we support one another.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And it is the most unique group of people.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: It-
Scott Hammond: Anybody would pre-conceive bikers as hardcore-
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … and Hells Angel. It's like-
Charlie: Exactly
Scott Hammond: … that's not even close.
Charlie: No.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: No, and, uh, I think that the media, the TV, you know, in the '70s gave-
Scott Hammond: Sure
Charlie: … the bikers that gangster thing that, you know-
Scott Hammond: Right
Charlie: … they're all just coming in to tear things up. And, um-Nationally, bikers are the most charitable people-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … anywhere.
Scott Hammond: Bankers, accountants-
Charlie: Man, we've got-
Scott Hammond: … doctors, lawyers
Charlie: … you name them, we've got them.
Scott Hammond: Yep.
Charlie: Froot Loops in there, you know?
Scott Hammond: Yeah, everybody. Yeah.
Charlie: They let me in.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. They let me in the club.
Charlie: You know what I mean? But, but it's, it, it's… I love to, especially when I'm, I'm speaking with the, with the biker community, it's like all I wanna do is create opportunity. What can I do to create an opportunity?
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know? Uh, I, I, I don't wanna say that the, the biker community is a dying breed, but, but we're phasing
Charlie: out the-
Scott Hammond: Mm
Charlie: … older generation, you know?
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And, and we gotta keep that alive.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: That's true for a lot of, lot of in- interests and industries and hobbies and…
Charlie: So last year I did a wedding, think in October, and for that wedding the message that I got was four words: cultivate, nourish, protect, and love.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: So I put that message together, and then I started looking at everything.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: Everywhere I went, you have to cultivate-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … nourish, protect, and love.
Scott Hammond: It's good.
Charlie: And it doesn't matter what area.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And so I've been applying that as I create opportunities for us to get together, for us to create more unity.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: I like it.
Charlie: Because that's… If, if, again, it goes back to we can, we can do so much more-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … if we're not nitpicking the, the differences.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: If we stop looking at the differences, can we look at the goal? Can we look at the heart? Can we look at, you know-
Scott Hammond: Common ground
Charlie: … it in the words of John Lennon, you know, peace.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know, if we can look at that stuff.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: If we can really put aside the stuff that's been tearing us apart-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … Dad was a drunk, Mom beat me up, whatever-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … if we can put those things aside-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … and come together and have a conversation, then we can actually identify with one another. We can actually have grace for one another.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: We can actually help one another, genuinely help one
Charlie: another.
Scott Hammond: Hmm.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: Imagine that.
Charlie: You know what I mean? Uh, can you… I mean, just to think about that, just the words right now of
Charlie: that-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. It's good
Charlie: … to genuinely help one another-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … for no reason.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Not expecting anything in return.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: You know, I, I, I remember, uh, one of my aunts and my uncle were driving down the road, and my uncle waves at somebody, and the person doesn't wave back, so he got all
Charlie: upset.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And, uh, my aunt turns around, and he goes, "Did he flip you off or anything?" And he goes, "No." "Oh, well, it was a good day then."
Charlie: You know? Because he was expecting-
Scott Hammond: Reciprocal
Charlie: … he was res- expecting.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And I learned early on that when-
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … when you go to give somebody anything, whether it's your time or a penny-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … and you're doing it expecting something in return, let me tell
Charlie: you-
Scott Hammond: Yeah
Charlie: … you will be 100% disappointed.
Scott Hammond: Yep.
Charlie: And you will be butthurt-
Scott Hammond: Yep
Charlie: … every single time.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: And those then turn into another hurt, a
Charlie: resentment.
Scott Hammond: Resentments.
Charlie: And here we go again.
Scott Hammond: Again.
Charlie: Let me get, let me get another bag of tortilla chips. You know what I mean?
Scott Hammond: Right. Hey, you're right about process, though.
Charlie: It… But see-
Scott Hammond: If you don't learn to process, you just build that corn tortilla chip bag.
Charlie: You know what I mean?
Scott Hammond: Pretty soon you got a big bag, and you're walking around.
Charlie: Well, but not only that, you got a, you know, guacamole and…
Scott Hammond: Oh, man. And, and you got a bitterness problem.
Charlie: You know what I mean?
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Next thing you know, it's chorizo with, with cheese in it, you know? I don't know nothing about food.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. I, I could see that. You know, noth- Chorizo and
Scott Hammond: cheese.
Charlie: Dude, I, I'll corrupt you in a heartbeat.
Scott Hammond: That sounds, that sounds pretty good. That sounds pretty good.
Charlie: But-
Scott Hammond: Nick, you, what do you got going over there?
Scott Hammond: You got…
Scott Hammond: So, so what do you… When you go on a ride, what, where do you guys, where do you like to ride the most in Humboldt?
Charlie: Oh, man.
Scott Hammond: If you had the choice to go for a ride.
Charlie: Well, so I don't know. Around here, there's so many beautiful rides. I've done Highway 36 from Red Bluff.
Scott Hammond: Mm.
Charlie: That's an amazing ride.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Um, out of Yreka, there's a road called Scott
Charlie: River Road.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: I don't recommend it unless you've had at least three months more than I did on the road, but-
Scott Hammond: Uh-huh
Charlie: … uh…
Scott Hammond: Is that…
Charlie: Oh, my gosh
Scott Hammond: … that's way up by Weitchpec and all-
Charlie: Yes
Scott Hammond: … out that way, right?
Charlie: It, it has some-
Scott Hammond: Way up there
Charlie: … up in the canyon
Scott Hammond: … Siskiyou County. Siskiyou County, yeah
Charlie: … I don't know what the, uh, I don't know what the summit was, the height, but you had these roads that it, the road that just goes up, and it, like, banks to the right, and then it just drops, like, straight down, and it banks to the right and to the left. And I'd only had, like, two, three months riding my motorcycle, Mary Lou.
Scott Hammond: And you had to learn it.
Charlie: Dude, I was, like, five miles an hour.
Charlie: It was-
Scott Hammond: Cruising slow.
Charlie: Yeah. And I had people behind me keeping an eye on me, but that, that was amazing.
Scott Hammond: That's how you learn.
Charlie: Oh, my gosh. That was amazing.
Scott Hammond: Ah.
Charlie: Um, when I'm in the mood for oysters, I gotta give my friends a, a, a plug down at, uh, the Pig House. Never don't stop at the Pig House.
Scott Hammond: Where's the Pig House?
Charlie: Down in Leggett.
Scott Hammond: Oh, it's down in Leggett. Yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Yeah. Never don't stop.
Scott Hammond: They have oysters down there?
Charlie: Oh, my gosh, dude.
Scott Hammond: Never don't stop.
Charlie: They're grilled. They… Oh, see, my mouth just gets, you know…
Scott Hammond: Grilled oysters are good, man.
Charlie: Yeah, so that's one of my favorite rides. It's a good hour, hour and a half down. Go through Avenue of the Giants and-
Scott Hammond: On a nice day.
Charlie: Oh, man, it's beautiful.
Scott Hammond: Today would be really amazing.
Charlie: Yeah, yeah. We're not gonna talk about today.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: I have to work.
Scott Hammond: Today, yeah, today's a work day. You're not going anywhere. So what do you wanna say, what does it gotta say on your tombstone? What do you want your legacy to be? If, would we… When we come to your celebration of life, what, what are we gonna talk about? What do, what are they gonna say about Tugboat
Scott Hammond: Charlie?
Charlie: You know, that's a very good question.
Scott Hammond: We'll come back to it. Let-
Charlie: You know-
Scott Hammond: You think about it
Charlie: … I, I think if, if I wanted it to say anything-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … he helped me somehow.
Scott Hammond: That's coolI like that
Charlie: I, I would love to see that.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: He helped me somehow.
Scott Hammond: So I'll say my two questions from my recovery, uh, father-in-law, Tom, uh, from LA. He has two questions: who are you and what do you want? And w- we'll, we'll wrap up on that here in a minute, but, uh, who is Tugboat Charlie, and, and Charlie, what, what do, what do you want, man? What do you wanna see happen?
Charlie: Ah, who I am.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And it wasn't until about a year, about a year and a half ago that I realized who I
Charlie: am.
Scott Hammond: Who are you?
Charlie: I'm love.
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: I am love.
Scott Hammond: Wow.
Charlie: And, and that was a process.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Because I was… Y- you're often asked, "Who are you?"
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.
Charlie: Well, I'm a child of God, you know?
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Yeah, that's great.
Scott Hammond: What's that mean? Yeah.
Charlie: But who really are you?
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: And, and I am love.
Scott Hammond: That's a good word.
Charlie: I, I am love, and, and the reason that I am love is because of grace.
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Cool.
Charlie: That's who I am.
Scott Hammond: And so what do you want? What do you want? What do you want, love?
Charlie: What do I want? Love.
Scott Hammond: All you need is love.
Charlie: Hi, honey.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Um-
Scott Hammond: Hey, love.
Charlie: So, um, man, I would love to see more unity.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: I honestly… And, and, and again, it doesn't matter y- it doesn't matter in what, in what context, in what environment, if, if we could just see unity-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … to really genuinely see people helping people get better.
Scott Hammond: Nice.
Charlie: You know? That, that would be phenomenal.
Scott Hammond: That's a good word.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: High o- high order right now, but-
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … uh, before you go, the quiz show.
Charlie: Uh-oh.
Scott Hammond: Here we go. Ready? And you gotta think quick on your feet, so there, and there's, there's, might be a
Scott Hammond: pri-
Charlie: Oh my God
Scott Hammond: … there's a prize in here available for you, Charlie.
Charlie: I didn't see that part in the invitation.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, sorry. I saved this for last. Who are you, what do you want, now in a broad setting. So favorite hamburger in town, go.
Charlie: Oh my gosh, The Joint.
Scott Hammond: The Joint?
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: That's, that's over-
Charlie: In Arcata.
Scott Hammond: That's up at Arcata, yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Favorite, uh, oysters?
Charlie: The Pig House.
Scott Hammond: Favorite seafood?
Charlie: Oh, man.
Charlie: Gils.
Scott Hammond: Gils.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: I haven't been there in forever.
Charlie: Gils by the Bay, yeah.
Scott Hammond: How about favorite, uh, sandwich?
Charlie: Uh, it used to be The Hole in the Wall. Now it's, um…
Scott Hammond: It's called something else now.
Charlie: Yeah, I can't remember. Mile High? I don't know.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
Charlie: Something like that.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. What's your favorite cup of coffee?
Charlie: Oh, Kona.
Scott Hammond: Kona.
Charlie: Kona Coffee.
Scott Hammond: Kona's good.
Charlie: Yeah, gotta have Kona.
Scott Hammond: I just had some yesterday.
Charlie: Yeah, there's-
Scott Hammond: I fresh ground it, man. We got some.
Charlie: Oh, see, that's horrible.
Scott Hammond: We got some. It's, it's light. It's t- it tastes different.
Charlie: It, it does.
Scott Hammond: And it's full of caffeine.
Charlie: It's so good.
Scott Hammond: I was talking really quick, man. I was just like, "Hey, yeah. Hey, everybody." What's your favorite, uh, uh, uh, beach-
Charlie: Oh, man
Scott Hammond: … in Humboldt?
Charlie: My favorite beach, the lagoon area.
Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah.
Charlie: Uh, Patrick's Point. What is it now, Meg Peg?
Scott Hammond: It's called, uh, Sue-meg.
Charlie: Sue-meg, thank you.
Scott Hammond: Sue-meg
Charlie: Yeah
Scott Hammond: … uh, State Park, yeah.
Charlie: Yeah, I love it right in there.
Scott Hammond: It's amazing.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, that's where I go for a walk sometimes.
Charlie: Yeah, it's beautiful.
Scott Hammond: Just, just commune and-
Charlie: And there's nobody there
Scott Hammond: … saw a bal- I saw a bald eagle.
Charlie: Did you really?
Scott Hammond: A couple times ago, yeah. I was like, whoa. I, you never see those.
Charlie: No.
Scott Hammond: It was cool. So, uh, hey, thanks for being here.
Charlie: Thank you for having me, man.
Scott Hammond: Appreciate you.
Charlie: What an honor.
Scott Hammond: Yeah, no, I'm super honored, and, uh, um, yeah, a- any parting shots, anything to, uh, we wanna talk about your website
Scott Hammond: again.
Charlie: No.
Scott Hammond: TugboatCharlie.com.
Charlie: Don't do life alone.
Scott Hammond: Don't do life alone.
Charlie: Don't do life alone.
Scott Hammond: It's about connection and relationship.
Charlie: Connection, relationship.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: My phone's always on. You can find me Facebook, YouTube, whatever you're comfortable, whatever medium you're comfortable using-
Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm
Charlie: … holler at me, man.
Scott Hammond: Man, that's, that's a big, open invite.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Yeah.
Charlie: Well.
Scott Hammond: It's cool. So-
Charlie: Somebody did it for me
Scott Hammond: … so somebody could reach out to you and go, "Hey, I, I saw your show. I heard your show."
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Uh, "Here's my deal."
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: And they, you would talk to them and-
Charlie: Sometimes-
Scott Hammond: … love on them
Charlie: … believe it or not, I don't have anything to say but listen.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. That's good.
Charlie: You know?
Scott Hammond: Yeah. Sometimes it's just an arm around a shoulder.
Charlie: Just to listen.
Scott Hammond: Yeah. I love it.
Charlie: Yeah.
Scott Hammond: Hey, thanks for being here, man. I appreciate you.
Charlie: Very welcome. Thank you for having me.
Scott Hammond: Thanks for coming.