#44. Myles Cochrane: Rhythmic Revelations & the Rock-Infused Heartbeat of Humboldt

Scott Hammond: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, my friend Myles Cochrane. How's it going?

Myles Cochrane: Well, hey, what an in show, man. It's the 4:00 hour with Scott. Like I was saying, if it was the 5:00 hour-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … we'd be doing dinner, but.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, dinner and … 5:00's a little early, even. I g- I guess I'm a senior citizen, so we eat at 3:00.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, man, I eat in the 5:00 hour. I am such an old man in that way.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: That's cool, though.

Myles Cochrane: I mean, I like… I don't wanna be digesting while I'm sleeping, so.

Scott Hammond: That's cool.

Myles Cochrane: You know how it is.

Scott Hammond: So tell me, who are you? What do you do? What's your job? What's your role? And you do a lot of things for Humboldt.

Myles Cochrane: I'm just a dude, Scott.

Scott Hammond: Just a d-

Myles Cochrane: I mean, I'm just a guy, you know, that you see in the gym sometimes, maybe naked.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: But, uh-

Scott Hammond: Well, that's too, uh, TMI. I have never seen Myles naked.

Myles Cochrane: Yes, you have.

Scott Hammond: Maybe in his drawers. Okay. We don't go to the gym anymore, though.

Scott Hammond: We stopped.

Myles Cochrane: I'm just a dude, Scott. No, I'm a, you know, a, I'm a local public information officer for the government. That's my-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … uh, you know, full-time job.

Myles Cochrane: But-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … uh, my main passions, I would say, is, uh, I'm a podcaster.

Myles Cochrane: I have the-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … Humboldt Last Week podcast, which is local news.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, local radio station called, uh, Hum-Along Alternative,

Myles Cochrane: humalt.com-

Scott Hammond: Like that

Myles Cochrane: … for some rock and roll.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, you know, just trying to explore my passions and endeavors and just kinda pour everything that I've got into, you know, sharing, um, my happiness and passions with people.

Scott Hammond: That's cool.

Myles Cochrane: It's just what I love to do. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: That's, I was listening to Queens of the, uh, Q- Queen, uh,

Scott Hammond: it was a, it was a band.

Myles Cochrane: Queens of the Stone Age?

Scott Hammond: Yes, sir.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, yeah. Okay.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, you were digging that. I was listening to that this morning.

Myles Cochrane: You were?

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Really?

Scott Hammond: Yeah, it's, uh-

Myles Cochrane: So what got you into them?

Scott Hammond: Uh, you. I just kinda like them.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, they're good.

Myles Cochrane: I mean, just such an amazing band and, uh-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … you know, they came from, uh, you know, the desert in, uh, you know, I think it was, like, mid-'90s.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: There's this other stoner rock band called Kyuss-

Myles Cochrane: … that, uh, Josh Homme was a part of, and I mean, this is guy, he's just, like, a total guitar nerd-

Scott Hammond: Huh

Myles Cochrane: … who had nothing to do in his upbringing in the desert but just play guitar.

Scott Hammond: What desert? Like, California Mojave?

Myles Cochrane: Oh, Southern California, yeah, Mojave.

Scott Hammond: Wherever.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Um, oh.

Scott Hammond: That's all they do is play guitar-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … and stone down there.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: I'm sure.

Scott Hammond: Desert rat.

Myles Cochrane: And do drugs, yeah, and, and hallucinate and all that stuff.

Scott Hammond: So you do, so is it two different shows? Hum-Along is the music.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And it's more… Is it more new stuff like, like-

Myles Cochrane: You know what? Uh-

Scott Hammond: … '90s to, um-

Myles Cochrane: … Hum-Along Alternative is, yeah, I mean, it's all alternative rock.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, the, the branding is, like, passion-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … and energy-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … and distortion.

Scott Hammond: That's cool.

Myles Cochrane: So I mean, I've really found that over the years the rock industry has kinda shifted away from distorted guitars-

Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah

Myles Cochrane: … and it's kinda leaned, like, lately towards, you know, like, fake beats and stuff. And, and what I really wanted to do is just build something that's a testament to the distorted guitar.

Scott Hammond: That's cool.

Myles Cochrane: And so, um, you know, after all that butt rock in the late '80s with the-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Myles Cochrane: … Mötley Crüe and everybody-

Scott Hammond: Butt rock

Myles Cochrane: … the, uh, the angst against that-

Scott Hammond: Never heard that before

Myles Cochrane: … was Nirvana and, you know, Pearl Jam and-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … Soundgarden and the Seattle sound and-

Scott Hammond: Sure

Myles Cochrane: … and, uh, ever since-

Scott Hammond: Sure

Myles Cochrane: … alternative rock with distorted guitars came out, I mean, that's just been something that's really been, uh, a passion of mine.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And so I play some deep cuts and play, you know, a lot of the hits from, you know, the, uh, early '90s to now.

Scott Hammond: Wow, okay.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So that's, uh, that's all kinda new to me 'cause I was raised in San Diego with, uh, Led Zeppelin, Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, Saw the Dead down there

Scott Hammond: and-

Myles Cochrane: Oh, yeah, yeah

Scott Hammond: … went to 100 shows at the Sports Arena, which is now kinda defunct and small, but-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … um, you know, really fun to see early Neil Young.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: He was great. I mean, there's a lot of shows.

Myles Cochrane: You piqued my interest with Zeppelin. How was Zeppelin?

Scott Hammond: Zeppelin was, um, disappointing 'cause they played for 59 minutes without an encore, and they left. They, they phoned it in and-

Myles Cochrane: Just-

Scott Hammond: It was great. I, the, the show was great

Myles Cochrane: … the peak of their we're British rock stars, and we don't need to follow any of

Myles Cochrane: you.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, screw you guys. We're outta here.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I don't, I don't remember it. I think we were kinda disappointed though. I mean, and then there's the antithesis with Jethro Tull. Ian Anderson did, like, a two-hour show and just killed it.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And one of the most memorable shows on record in San Diego, top 10, I've seen two, the Dead at the Civic Center and then, um, The Ramones at San Diego State.

Myles Cochrane: Oh.

Scott Hammond: Oh my God.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: The Ramones, well, they were new, and they were fun and-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … nobody'd done a mosh pit. It wasn't even called that.

Myles Cochrane: Right. Right.

Scott Hammond: It was, like, just slam dancing.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, sure. You know, I, I love about the mosh pit is… Have you ever participated in one?

Scott Hammond: Only at that, that one concert.

Scott Hammond: It just-

Myles Cochrane: Okay

Scott Hammond: … there was shoving, and it was just crazy.

Myles Cochrane: I just love it because, you know, you initially go to these, and you go to these, uh, mosh pits, and you think, "Oh, I'm just gonna get slammed and wrecked, and there's gonna be all these, like, angry people that hate me, that want to hurt me." And that's not what it's about at all. It's, you know, it's, uh, it's kind of peaceful angst among each other. It's peaceful violence in a way.

Scott Hammond: We're all shoving each other.

Myles Cochrane: Because you're shoving each other.

Scott Hammond: Shove in love.

Myles Cochrane: You don't wanna knock each other down.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Myles Cochrane: And-

Scott Hammond: No one wants to get hurt

Myles Cochrane: … and if you see anybody knocked down, the correct mosh pits will bring that person up. Everybody will join together, make sure that person doesn't

Myles Cochrane: get hurt.

Scott Hammond: Really? Okay.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. I, I… That's the best kind of mosh pit is where people-

Scott Hammond: Okay

Myles Cochrane: … it's, uh, it's violent love.

Myles Cochrane: Yes.

Scott Hammond: It's, isn't it all?

Myles Cochrane: But like-

Scott Hammond: So-

Myles Cochrane: Uh, yeah, I mean, you mentioned, uh, you know, uh, Led Zeppelin and

Myles Cochrane: getting to-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … getting to see them live. Um, you know, it's pretty incredible that you got to do that for probably, what, 15 bucks or something like that?

Scott Hammond: It was, like, six.

Myles Cochrane: Six bucks?

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Seven.

Scott Hammond: Seven. It was early spending, maybe 7.50.

Myles Cochrane: Oh my gosh.

Scott Hammond: You know what?

Myles Cochrane: I was like-

Scott Hammond: We got ripped off on that deal, man

Myles Cochrane: … just, uh, yesterday it was announced that the Justice Department, US Justice Department, is going after Ticketmaster, Live Nation.

Scott Hammond: Oh, good.

Myles Cochrane: So, um-

Scott Hammond: They deserve it, right, 'cause they're criminal

Myles Cochrane: … let's get those, let's get those tickets down 'cause, like-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … all the fees and the prices and-

Scott Hammond: Gosh, I was looking… So we got to see The Who about four years ago before

Scott Hammond: COVID.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: We, my, my father-in-law lived in LA, and, and I called him. I go, "Jodi and I, we're on a date," my wife. We're at Blue Lake. "Hey, let's go… You got the live flight to LA. Let's go to The Bowl. Who's at The Bowl? Hey, The Who. They added a fifth show. Hey, Tom, you wanna go?" "Yeah."

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: "I'll go, Scott." Yeah, it's, he's 81, great guy. And he goes, "Okay, I'll call you tomorrow." And I called him, and I go, "Hey, Tom, the tickets are, like, 7, 800 bucks." He goes, "Too late. I already got four in the super seats," which are right up in the middle where the sound is kinda perfect. I go, "Tommy Boy, my man."

Myles Cochrane: That is, yeah, that's some-

Scott Hammond: So went down, saw The Who-

Myles Cochrane: … A wasteland right there, yeah

Scott Hammond: … oh, in the, saw The Who in The Bowl and full orchestra and-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … and, um, long story shortHe died. He went in the hospital two weeks later, and he died six weeks later.

Myles Cochrane: Oh.

Scott Hammond: So it's like, didn't see that coming.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And, but we got to see The Who, and they were, uh… And got to see To- my u- my, my father-in-law, who I fondly call Tommy Boy.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Well, you know what? That's what, uh, these live shows are all about, is sharing experiences with people-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … while they're still here.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, you know, um, you'll have that with you forever whenever you listen to

Myles Cochrane: them.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um…

Scott Hammond: That's true.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: We're gonna go see Judy Collins here in a couple weeks up in, at the Britt Festival. You ever been to the Britt up in-

Myles Cochrane: The Britt Pavilion

Scott Hammond: … Chehalem?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Oh, that's so cool.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, it's just, what a cool place.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: We used to do, um, on KSLUG, I was a DJ on KSLUG for about seven years.

Scott Hammond: Oh, that's right.

Myles Cochrane: And we used to have a really great, um, connection with Britt, Britt Pavilion-

Scott Hammond: And you'd go up there and get-

Myles Cochrane: … giveaway tickets

Scott Hammond: … to shows?

Myles Cochrane: Well, y- they would just give us tickets to give away.

Scott Hammond: Sweet.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and their lineup, I mean, every summer is just-

Scott Hammond: Oh my gosh

Myles Cochrane: … amazing. And that's just such a-

Scott Hammond: Gosh

Myles Cochrane: … beautiful part of the country out there by Ashland and-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … all of the, uh, you know, the theater geeks out there and-

Scott Hammond: I don't wanna talk it up too much. Somebody said, "Don't be telling everybody down here."

Myles Cochrane: I know.

Scott Hammond: It's, it's-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah

Scott Hammond: …

Myles Cochrane: Keep them away. No.

Scott Hammond: We're gonna go see Jason Bonham's Led Zeppelin experience.

Myles Cochrane: There you go.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: That's the way to do it. I mean, and Jason just crushes it, you know? And here's the thing, is like, there's a lot of nepotism that's going on in the world right now. You know, you got, like, Sublime being fronted by S- uh, Bradley Nowell's son.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: I don't know if you saw that.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Myles Cochrane: But, um, you know, sometimes that's the way it has to be in order for there to be sort of like this, uh, i- image of authenticity w- among fans.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: You know?

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: It's like, Led Zeppelin without John Bonham's son, um, no thanks.

Scott Hammond: How would that… Yeah. I mean-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … let's see. I'm, who else is… Uh, we're gonna go see, uh… Well, Willie Nelson's coming. We're gonna be out of the country, but we'd go see Willie gladly.

Myles Cochrane: Where's Willie coming to? I didn't see that.

Scott Hammond: To the Britt, dude.

Myles Cochrane: To the Britt? Oh my gosh.

Scott Hammond: Oh my gosh. I mean, they, they had lined him up somehow. I don't know. Uh, I'd love to see him. He's probably, you know, he can't last forever.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, seeing his van pull into the, uh, the Ferndale, um-

Scott Hammond: Oh, the fairgrounds

Myles Cochrane: … the fairgrounds.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, with smoke coming out of it, of course.

Scott Hammond: Oh, sure. Sure.

Myles Cochrane: And it's-

Scott Hammond: So you worked seven years f- worked for Patrick Cleary?

Myles Cochrane: Oh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: He's been on the show.

Myles Cochrane: Patrick's a great guy. Yeah. Patrick is a great guy.

Scott Hammond: Pat's. Patrick. Hey, Patrick. Shout out to Patrick.

Myles Cochrane: Cheers to Patrick. And, uh, you know, all those Lost Coast Communications people, um, Cliff Berkowitz, founder of KHUM, such a good guy.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, Mike Dronkers, who was with KHUM forever-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … is just, uh, such a mentor to me, um-

Scott Hammond: Cool

Myles Cochrane: … still to this day, even though, you know, he's no longer-

Scott Hammond: That's really cool

Myles Cochrane: … a coworker and everything.

Myles Cochrane: But yeah.

Scott Hammond: Those guys, legacy leavers, all of them. So, so, th- uh, the other is, y- your, your other show is, like, a

Scott Hammond: news show.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Right?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's a review of, of a, the bad car wreck yesterday downtown, and the things that, uh-

Myles Cochrane: You know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily talk about that, um, in my podcast because there's, there's so many, there's so many collisions, right?

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And so, um, Humboldt Last Week, as a news podcast, uh, is designed to bring people in because, um, you know, they wanna c- I want, I wanna bring them back every week.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: So you gotta entertain them a little bit.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Myles Cochrane: Um, but that's not to say that, you know, the most important stories are not, uh, sprinkled in throughout all of this sort of infotainment.

Scott Hammond: So Cal Poly-

Myles Cochrane: Absolutely

Scott Hammond: … protests, that was-

Myles Cochrane: I mean, the big stuff going on right now is-

Scott Hammond: Sure

Myles Cochrane: … the, uh, the Cal Poly protests and, uh-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … you know, um-

Scott Hammond: Is it true-

Myles Cochrane: There's a lot of housing stuff going on right now-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Myles Cochrane: … in this next episode-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … that's gonna come out. Um…

Scott Hammond: Is it true they're gonna put, they're gonna fence in the university? Have you heard, h- I heard that last night from a friend that works-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. I, I don't know if that's true.

Myles Cochrane: Um-

Scott Hammond: I heard they're gonna gate the whole damn thing, which is gonna be, like, freaking

Scott Hammond: impos-

Myles Cochrane: Like, for all summer?

Scott Hammond: Im- no, forever.

Myles Cochrane: For ev- mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. A gated campus.

Myles Cochrane: Where did you hear that?

Scott Hammond: From a f- like, a, a, like, his name rhymes with friend. He, uh- So he works at Plant Operations-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … and they've done this in other campuses.

Myles Cochrane: Okay.

Scott Hammond: There'll be 800- 8,000 key cards. I, that, I don't know if that's a breaking story or what that is. It, maybe it's just bad, bad rumor, but-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. I mean, it could be a bad rumor. You've heard of all the, uh, ACLU, um, pushback against closing the campus-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … because it's a public space.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and also because, um, whenever you do close a public space, if there's a crime, uh, ACLU says that it has to be a, a very narrow-

Scott Hammond: Huh

Myles Cochrane: … and a short closure. And, uh-

Scott Hammond: Interesting

Myles Cochrane: … of course, this blanket closure has been anything but that.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, it's a really complicated thing going on right now.

Scott Hammond: Oh my gosh. It's an ugly, and $2 million worth of ugly.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Well, and, and just all the loss of life.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um, you know-

Scott Hammond: That too. That too

Myles Cochrane: … is just, it's just incredibly sad. And say what you will about, um, you know, protesters and what they did, and, and the vandalism being wrong, and the destruction of property being wrong, and, um, you know, all of that, the destruction of classes.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, you know, these protesters, um, throughout the entirety of our nation's history, uh, protesters have, um, raised awareness about certain

Myles Cochrane: issues.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Some of them have been, um, you know, more important than others. I think the Boston Tea Party, we could all agree, was, uh, pretty important for our

Myles Cochrane: country.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: But, um-

Scott Hammond: Feel like I'm talking to my son Jesse, who we had the same discussion.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: He goes, "Dad-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … if, if there wasn't something terrible, it wouldn't show up."

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: You know?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's like, okay. I, I see, see the point.

Myles Cochrane: That is-

Scott Hammond: Um-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, that is true.

Scott Hammond: So are there other CSU, uh, campuses that are gated up? Uh, I don't even know. I wouldn't… I guess one could look that up, but…

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. That just doesn't, that doesn't seem right because, um, you know-

Scott Hammond: I don't know how they would do it at Humboldt-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … 'cause it's such an open, beautiful campus.

Myles Cochrane: The first thing that comes to mind whenever I think about that is just the, um, the lack of respect that libraries get. Uh, libraries are very important to, um, all socioeconomic groups, and they provide access, um, to the lower classes, um, for really essential things.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: You know, internet access-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … access to books, being able to watch movies.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um, I saw that some libraries across the country lately are providing, like, little cubes, um, s- for childcare.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Myles Cochrane: And, and, and so, um, whenever I went to Humboldt State University, now Ca- Cal Poly Humboldt-

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: … uh, the library was often used by the public.

Scott Hammond: Uh-huh.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and so, you know, that's just one of the things that comes to my mind. That's a, that would be a huge loss if-

Scott Hammond: Yeah. It's a cool library

Myles Cochrane: … you know, the public wasn't, um, able to go to a public

Myles Cochrane: space and-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … reap those sort of benefits.

Scott Hammond: And one of the guys that runs it, uh, has done a great job with it. I think they're exemplary. It's a good deal.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So we'll, we'll do some more shout-outs for the shows.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Uh, I wanna do that. I wanna afford you absolutely to do that. So tell us about the Myles Cochrane story. Who, who are you? What do you want? How'd you get here?

Myles Cochrane: I'm just a dude, Scott.

Scott Hammond: You're a dude.

Myles Cochrane: I'm just a guy.

Scott Hammond: Just leave your stuff.

Myles Cochrane: I'm just, you know, uh-

Scott Hammond: The dude, the dude abides.

Scott Hammond: Myles Abides

Myles Cochrane: I, uh, yeah, I mean, um, you know, high school as a, a football player, soccer player-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Myles Cochrane: … but mostly passionate about local radio.

Scott Hammond: Where'd you come from?

Myles Cochrane: And so I came from Southwest Colorado, Four Corners area.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: I don't know if you've heard of being able to, like, go to that monument and put-

Scott Hammond: Been there

Myles Cochrane: … your feet in two states and then your hands in two other states and-

Scott Hammond: Been there and done that.

Myles Cochrane: So I'm on the Colorado side of that.

Scott Hammond: Okay. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, yeah, Dolores area near Mesa Verde.

Scott Hammond: Went to Mesa Verde National Park.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah. And Telluride is a really cool spot. Did a lot of snowboarding there growing up.

Scott Hammond: Oh, that's cool.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. And, uh, I don't know if you're familiar with, uh, Isabella Vanderheiden. She's a, uh, a writer for the Last Coast Outpost.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: But, um, our, our parents are very close friends, and, uh, we grew up together over there. And so-

Scott Hammond: Oh, wow

Myles Cochrane: … so you got a couple of, uh, you know, Four Corners area kids here in Humboldt

Myles Cochrane: County.

Scott Hammond: Did she come with you, or did separately?

Myles Cochrane: No, she, she was a little younger than me and just decided to come out to Humboldt State University.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, went to the journalism program. I'd said a couple of good things about it, and yeah, and so-

Scott Hammond: Did you go through the j- J- J-School too?

Myles Cochrane: That's, yeah, so that's what brought me out here-

Scott Hammond: Huh

Myles Cochrane: … is, uh, you know, I did, um, community radio over in southwest Colorado,

Myles Cochrane: and, uh-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Myles Cochrane: … I went to, um, Fort Lewis College over in Durango, Colorado, for my freshman year. And then just, uh, they didn't have a journalism program. That was just, like, what I was really interested in.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and there was an exchange program, a western undergraduate exchange program, that allowed you to go, um, as a Colorado resident into, um, a lot of the California state universities for nearly in-state

Myles Cochrane: tuition.

Scott Hammond: Sweet.

Myles Cochrane: And so I thought, oh, Humboldt County-

Scott Hammond: Humboldt State

Myles Cochrane: … yeah, you know.

Scott Hammond: Here it comes

Myles Cochrane: … and, and to be honest, you know-

Scott Hammond: It's cool

Myles Cochrane: … I thought that, uh, Humboldt County was maybe a little warmer, a little less

Myles Cochrane: rainy.

Scott Hammond: Ha.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, you know, but, uh, I, I had heard some things about Humboldt County. I moved on out and, uh, went to the journalism program and, uh-

Scott Hammond: Oh, that's cool

Myles Cochrane: … enjoyed it. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Was Mac McClary a professor then? He was a runner, tall guy.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, no.

Scott Hammond: Would've been really old when you were there.

Myles Cochrane: No. It was in the, uh, you know, Vicki Sama, Marcie Brester, um, Mark

Myles Cochrane: Larson era.

Scott Hammond: I know Larson, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. It's small. It's cool having a university where you'd actually know the professors and the, the history.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's kind of-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, it's, it's, you know, it's one of the, uh, the small big universities for sure. It's like-

Scott Hammond: So to speak

Myles Cochrane: … it's like the Reno of universities.

Scott Hammond: Did you do news at KHUM KSLG?

Scott Hammond: Did you?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, totally. Absolutely.

Scott Hammond: You were the news guy.

Myles Cochrane: So-

Scott Hammond: Okay

Myles Cochrane: … yeah, um, I was, uh, going to Humboldt State University, um, got a job at KSLG.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Myles Cochrane: Actually got an internship there and was like, uh-

Scott Hammond: That's cool

Myles Cochrane: … you know, taking out the trash and alphabetizing CDs and all that good

Myles Cochrane: stuff.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Myles Cochrane: And then eventually they're like, "Hey, do you wanna host a couple of KSLG shows?" And that turned into-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Myles Cochrane: … "Do you want a full-time nighttime gig? Do you want, uh, mornings? You want afternoons?"

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Myles Cochrane: Program director, music director, uh, rose up through the ranks there, and that was pretty awesome. But all the while that was going on, um, I actually got a job at the Time-Standard and started-

Scott Hammond: That's right

Myles Cochrane: … doing music previews for them and, uh-

Scott Hammond: What is the Time-Standard?

Myles Cochrane: Is that a, is that a newspaper?

Scott Hammond: Yeah, that, like, remember the newspapers?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: It's, uh, it's made out of paper, and it has-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … news on it.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, and people don't scroll through it. You can't, like, go to the next story with your thumb, but it's-

Scott Hammond: No, you just get ink on your thumb.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. No, I worked for Time, Tri-City Weekly for 20 years.

Myles Cochrane: Absolutely, yeah.

Scott Hammond: And we were acquired by the Time-Standard in '99-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah

Scott Hammond: … by, uh, Media News out of Denver.

Myles Cochrane: That changed, that turned into The Urge or something after-

Scott Hammond: Something

Myles Cochrane: … Tri-City Weekly was, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: They destroyed it, but we were, the Shopper paper was really always competitive for the ad dollars. It was a great place to work for-

Myles Cochrane: Absolutely

Scott Hammond: … a guy named Ron Pileggi. Hey, Ron Pileggi.

Scott Hammond: What's up?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Great guy.

Myles Cochrane: Good times that, and, you know, I was there at the, uh, the Kim Weir era where she was the editor of the paper. Thaddeus Greenson was there.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: I got to see that guy in his element, you know, while he was working. He was a very talented reporter.

Scott Hammond: Was he the, a r- Well, he was a n- he was a reporter.

Myles Cochrane: He was just a reporter at that time.

Scott Hammond: So-

Myles Cochrane: And then Jessie Faulkner was my, uh, my editor.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and she's just a, an incredible person and-

Scott Hammond: What does she do now?

Myles Cochrane: I, I'm not sure. I, I, you know, I haven't checked in on Jessie in a while. I really need to.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So were you a writer, a reporter?

Myles Cochrane: I was a reporter doing, uh, entertainment previews, and so I got-

Scott Hammond: That's right

Myles Cochrane: … to interview people like, you know, Bill Maher came to town. I got to interview Bill Maher. You know, I got to interview-

Scott Hammond: That's right. You shared some of that.

Scott Hammond: Yes

Myles Cochrane: … uh, Michael Franti. All the big names that came through, um, I got to interview those people, and I was really fortunate to just, uh, talk to those folks and-

Scott Hammond: Did you talk to-

Myles Cochrane: … and learn from them and-

Scott Hammond: … Amy Winehouse when she was here?

Myles Cochrane: Amy Winehouse was here?

Scott Hammond: Was, was it, she not here at Mazzotti's at one point?

Myles Cochrane: I, I didn't.

Scott Hammond: I could be wrong.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: I, I know that, um, Lorde, which is, like, you know, a very, uh, famous young pop star was-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … here doing, like, a photo shoot or something like that.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: A lot of people pass through here.

Scott Hammond: How's Franti? He a nice guy?

Myles Cochrane: Super nice guy.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, he's so tall, doesn't wear shoes, uh, has that sort of hippie-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … you know, demeanor about him.

Myles Cochrane: Um-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … we can all, we can all be friends. That's kind of a nice vibe.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. He d- actually, for the Brit Festival, he does a kids concert-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … during the day before he, they do their main show at night.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, that's-

Scott Hammond: I think it's kinda cool. Like, who does that?

Myles Cochrane: Scaredest I've ever been in my entire li- most scared I've ever been in my life, the

Myles Cochrane: scaredest.

Scott Hammond: Really? The scaredest-

Myles Cochrane: I'm, I'm the English guy. Um, most scared I've ever been in my life w- or, I don't know, just kinda terrified was whenever, uh, he played Blue Lake Casino, and they booked, like, 3,000 tickets for that show or something.

Scott Hammond: That's a lot.

Myles Cochrane: They're like, "Hey, Myles, you wanna, like, bring him on stage?" And I was like-

Scott Hammond: Oh, nice

Myles Cochrane: … that many people, yeah. I was like-

Scott Hammond: Public speaker.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Myles Cochrane.

Myles Cochrane: So if you remember, if you remember, uh, seeing him there, um, I was the nervous guy that brought Michael on stage, so.

Scott Hammond: Hey, everybody.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: That's good. That, that's, the Toastmaster training came in useful.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, absolutely. You know, you gotta be able to, um, to hype

Myles Cochrane: people up.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So after Time-Standard, did you rise up the ranks, go to the, the, the state agency after that?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, exactly. So my daughter came along, and, uh, you know, journalism doesn't pay very well. Local journalism, unfortunately, doesn't pay very well.

Scott Hammond: Turns out. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. So, uh, a- and maybe that's indicative of the, uh, um,

Myles Cochrane: the, the level of, um, journalism that we see locally sometimes.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Myles Cochrane: I j- I just wish that we had… We have some really talented people here, but this is also kind of a training grounds for reporters-

Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah

Myles Cochrane: … I would say. So-

Scott Hammond: For decades.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: All the TV guys would go to Modesto or Merced-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … or Sac or Redding or whatever.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Absolutely.

Scott Hammond: That's all true. Yeah, no, Nazi just left and different people, so.

Myles Cochrane: Nazi, yeah, very talented reporter. And so yeah, it was kind of just out of necessity, out of a need for insurance, better pay, uh-A little bit more-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … stability, but then-

Scott Hammond: Sun- sunshine is what it-

Myles Cochrane: Hyped, hyped into the, into the Humboldt Last Week and the Hum Along Alternative Radio thing, and, uh, you know, just I'm so fortunate to have sponsors for those things and to be able to be-

Scott Hammond: That's cool

Myles Cochrane: … paid to do a passion, you know?

Myles Cochrane: It's just-

Scott Hammond: Pretty cool

Myles Cochrane: … I'm so lucky.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, I love that. So how many, how many episodes or how many years have you done

Scott Hammond: this?

Myles Cochrane: So yeah, uh, Humboldt Last Week founded in, um,

Myles Cochrane: 2016.

Scott Hammond: Rad. Okay.

Myles Cochrane: And so, um-

Scott Hammond: Whoa

Myles Cochrane: … coming up, uh, a little later, um, after, after we talk, I'll be working on episode 320.

Myles Cochrane: So-

Scott Hammond: That's pretty rad. Wow

Myles Cochrane: … been at it for a long time. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: See, I thought Nick had all the, uh, corner on, uh, the podcast

Scott Hammond: world.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, Nick, Nick-

Scott Hammond: He's, he's approaching 200, though.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. This is a… Yeah, I, and this is a incredible studio space, by the way.

Scott Hammond: Mm. Yeah

Myles Cochrane: It's like I'm looking at these, uh, at these curtains, and I'm wondering, like, what's behind them. Is it like, you know, like cutouts of SpongeBob and, like,

Myles Cochrane: Bigfoot and-

Scott Hammond: It's… We'll find out. Maybe we'll- Maybe we'll get a tour. My son goes, uh, he's watching the podcast on, we're on Access TV the next… You'll be on in a couple weeks.

Myles Cochrane: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: He said, um, "That looks like Joe Rogan's show, Dad." I go, "Yeah, that's Nick. He's, he's got a-"

Myles Cochrane: That's, that's the idea.

Scott Hammond: He's ripping off Joe.

Myles Cochrane: That's the idea. Well, if you want a, if you want a podcast that looks like, uh, you know, the one that's watched by hundreds of millions of people every episode, that's what you want to-

Scott Hammond: You go with the red curtains, man

Myles Cochrane: … want it to look that way. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Like, I, I agree. It's like so, so pretty soon comes out, uh, the drugs and, and drinks, right? And then we'll do a three-hour, three-hour show with, uh-

Myles Cochrane: I wasn't gonna actually mention that today is, like, uh, Nick always brings out the

Myles Cochrane: beers, but-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … you know, Scott does-

Scott Hammond: Yeah, today it's wa- today it's water

Myles Cochrane: … Yeah, you know. You're an insurance guy.

Myles Cochrane: We gotta-

Scott Hammond: Yeah, we gotta keep-

Myles Cochrane: Don't wanna drink and drive

Scott Hammond: … the whole thing here. Yeah, yeah. Ever. So yeah, no, thanks for being here. So tell me more about, um, what you see for Humboldt. What do, what do you like about where we're at? What do, what do you see coming down the pike?

Scott Hammond: Uh, what's on the show? What's-

Myles Cochrane: That's a big que- Yeah, it's a good question, and I'd, I'd say the main thing that Humboldt is and the main thing it has going for it right now is it's a, um, it's a climate refugee destination.

Scott Hammond: Hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, the rest of the state is always on fire every summer.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, you know, our housing prices, um, our housing access is just so limited, and it's really unfortunate.

Scott Hammond: It's horrendous, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Um, you know, um, we, we are going to thrive because of our climate. Um, and then there's a lot of other things that are going on here that, you know, we could be excited about.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: It sounds like the, uh, the wind energy off the shore there kinda hinges on the presidential election-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Myles Cochrane: … um, which is, which is interesting. Um, it could be a good economy booster. Uh, more students-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … coming to Cal Poly Humboldt with the governor's investment there.

Myles Cochrane: Um-

Scott Hammond: The high-rise that's coming

Myles Cochrane: … a lot of, lot of money invested in our infrastructure for our roads and stuff. Um, you know, we're really lucky that that's happening. Uh, you know, ca- I guess I can't not talk about the roads sometimes, but-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … being able to do a last chance grade project is pretty huge for our community.

Scott Hammond: I was gonna ask about that. That's go- Is that gonna be a tunnel? Is that the plan?

Myles Cochrane: That's what it's looking like, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Myles Cochrane: And I'd highly recommend, you know, chatting with the project manager, Jamie Mattioli. He's just a very smart guy.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and-

Scott Hammond: Great family

Myles Cochrane: … yeah, just a good family.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: His dad's a good friend of mine.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: He's got really a lot of talent. I think his brother, like, played guitar with Sara Bareilles when she came-

Scott Hammond: Oh, nice. Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … and did that free show. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah. No.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, he opened.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: He opened, and then Huckleberry Flint.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Dick Taylor g- Do you know the Dick Taylor Guys?

Myles Cochrane: Uh-

Scott Hammond: Do you know Huck-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, you know what? I don't know them, but, um, love their chocolate.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Hey. Shout out to Dustin a- to, and Adam.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, cheers to them. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So do you ever do, uh, do you ever do guests in your, on your show in terms of-

Myles Cochrane: I did for a long time. Um, but then it became sort of a, you know, uh, it became more, uh, it, it became more sort of, uh, just a necessity, you know? It w-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … it's a tool.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, the, the podcast did. It wasn't something that, you know, I didn't necessarily want people investing 30 minutes a week into me.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: I wanted them to have a 10-minute thing where they could quickly get informed of all the big local stories happening around them.

Scott Hammond: Gotcha.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and then, you know, I also talk about where to find more information. And so every once in a while, I'll do an interview. I mean, uh, when Billy Bob Thornton came to town with his

Myles Cochrane: band-

Scott Hammond: Saw them

Myles Cochrane: … I took that as an opportunity to interview Billy Bob.

Scott Hammond: Did you see those guys?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, that was a great show.

Scott Hammond: Oh, my God.

Myles Cochrane: The RoadHogs.

Scott Hammond: They're so loud.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, they're so fun.

Scott Hammond: So the distortion factor, you loved that 'cause that's what-

Myles Cochrane: Oh, absolutely

Scott Hammond: … They came in as rockabilly. Like, all their stuff on YouTube's, like, rockabil- They came in-

Myles Cochrane: They came in rocking

Scott Hammond: … grinding.

Myles Cochrane: Absolutely.

Scott Hammond: Oh, my gosh.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, he just had really good vibes, and you know what? He was just a member of the band, and that's what I really liked about him is that-

Scott Hammond: He did the, yeah, he's-

Myles Cochrane: He doesn't wanna talk about his acting background up there.

Scott Hammond: Really humble

Myles Cochrane: … he's just a musician.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, just a guy.

Scott Hammond: So we're gonna see Keanu Reeves and his band-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … up at, uh, at the Britt Fest. You know where the Britt is up in Oregon?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Heard of it, yeah.

Scott Hammond: The pavilion?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: He's, uh… What is their band called? Sky Dog or something. It's… But he's in a band. They've been together for-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … I guess a long time.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So, uh-

Myles Cochrane: It's kinda awesome to see. You know, he's j- he's just one of those guys that you

Myles Cochrane: just like-

Scott Hammond: You can spend 50 bucks to see him

Myles Cochrane: … he's not famous. He doesn't act famous. He's just a regular guy.

Scott Hammond: He's a cool guy.

Myles Cochrane: Love that. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So you'll like this story. I think I, I may have shared this before. Um, you might remember. So the Hollywood Vampires featuring, um, Johnny Depp on guitar. So Johnny was a guitar player when he was discovered-

Myles Cochrane: Oh, sure

Scott Hammond: … in a coffee shop in Florida before he was an actor.

Myles Cochrane: Absolutely.

Scott Hammond: And so he's got full regalia. They're grinding, so but a cool band, so it's got Alice Cooper and Joe Perry from Aerosmith, Johnny's, Johnny Depp-

Myles Cochrane: Uh-huh

Scott Hammond: … the drummer from Guns N' Roses, and another keyboard guy from who knows what.

Myles Cochrane: Uh-huh.

Scott Hammond: And, um, all, all the covers and, and Alice ta- talks all

Scott Hammond: the lore of,

Scott Hammond: of the, um, the Voodoo Lounge in Hollywood-

Myles Cochrane: Ugh, yeah

Scott Hammond: … where Harry Nilsson and John Lennon-

Myles Cochrane: How well-spoken is that guy?

Scott Hammond: Oh, he's g-

Myles Cochrane: I mean-

Scott Hammond: He's a great guy

Myles Cochrane: … his little cameo in, uh, Wayne's World is, like, actually him. Like, he's just-

Scott Hammond: It's him

Myles Cochrane: … he's just like that. He's-

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Well, his brilliance is he got sober when everybody else got dead, and so he, um-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: He has all the stories

Myles Cochrane: When everyone was joining the 27 Club, he said, "28, baby."

Scott Hammond: Yeah, he, he was out.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So he, um… But he knew all those guys, and they talked, you know, reverently and, and respectfully, and they… He talked about how that culture all went down in, in LA in the time and, you know, hanging out with John Lennon and stuff, and just pretty neat. So then they would do covers of all these bands, whether it was The Who

Scott Hammond: or-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … Aerosmith.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Or they did a bunch of Alice Cooper stuff. And, you know, they played, um, you know, Led Zeppelin for Jason Bonham and stuff. So it was a pretty, pretty fun show. L- very limited tour.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah. And you know what? You, you mention that, and we're just so fortunate to get a lot of really great live music, you know-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Myles Cochrane: … coming through Humboldt County.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, you know, people like Billy Bob Thornton and stuff and-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … yeah.

Scott Hammond: Let's, let's talk about that 'cause that's… I think that's a s- a good stopping point. Mu- musicology locally is, my friend David knows the troubadours and w- who they are, and he can pick 'em at, you know, at the Arcata Theater or the, um, the Arcata Playhouse or the, the

Scott Hammond: Old Steeple.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: And he goes, "Oh, no, this guy's great. He's amazing. We gotta go catch blah blah." And I go, "Who?" And he goes, "Oh, yeah, that guy." So you, you must know a bunch of those guys and gals. Can we-

Myles Cochrane: It's been a long time since I was covering that scene.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and but there are regulars-

Scott Hammond: But they do come through

Myles Cochrane: … there are regulars that just come through all the time.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, yeah, absolutely. I think it was a really good opportunity to, um, listen to a lot of music that isn't necessarily super popular.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And I think that's really important, and it's something that sort of bleeds through into successful local radio stations here. I mean, KHUM, they play all those deep cuts-

Scott Hammond: They do a lot of that, yeah

Myles Cochrane: … and they just do all kinds of stuff that's not super popular, and-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … KSLG, whenever we reba- rebranded back in, uh, 2014, um, our main thing was like, "Hey, we don't need money behind these bands. We can get DIY indie bands on the radio-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … um, playing all the time." And you know, that was actually a, a method for success because you're able to get some of those bands to come out to Humboldt County and play some shows-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … book some venues and do-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … some cool stuff like that. And yeah, I mean, cheers to all the promoters that really kicked so much butt to-

Scott Hammond: All of them

Myles Cochrane: … keep us entertained out here and-

Scott Hammond: Yeah, Deborah Lazio and different ones and… We saw Tommy Emmanuel this year, the guitar player from Australia.

Scott Hammond: He's-

Myles Cochrane: Uh-huh. Yeah

Scott Hammond: … gosh, he's one of the best in the world. He's really good.

Myles Cochrane: Cheers to that, yeah.

Scott Hammond: And all the, all the bluegrass guys and Patrick and those guys.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Patrick Cleary's been a good guy to mine. He goes, "Oh yeah, you gotta go see Molly Tuttle up at The Britt." Shout out to The Britt Pavilion one more time.

Myles Cochrane: They're sponsors of your show, aren't they?

Scott Hammond: Yeah, no, secretly.

Myles Cochrane: Are they?

Scott Hammond: They should be. I wish I, wish that would be true. Um, so, so who all have you talked to that was exciting? So you said Billy Bob.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Fr- Franti, Franti was cool.

Myles Cochrane: Billy Bob Thornton, uh, Bill Maher, Michael Franti. You know, the lead singer of, um, of Arctic Monkeys, Alex Turner, was one of my guests.

Scott Hammond: My daughter's favorite band. My-

Myles Cochrane: Oh, okay

Scott Hammond: … I've seen them twice now-

Myles Cochrane: That's awesome

Scott Hammond: … in LA, and then they saw them at the, uh, Golden Center in Sac.

Myles Cochrane: They're a really interesting band because, uh, you know, they came out with this sorta like Sabbath sound, um, on their album AM, which came out in

Myles Cochrane: 2013.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Myles Cochrane: And it was just this sort of distorted, really heavy thing, but like their latest albums are just this sort of like Beatles vibe.

Myles Cochrane: Like-

Scott Hammond: Really?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. It's, it's really interesting.

Scott Hammond: They're trippy, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Very trippy.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, my daughter-

Myles Cochrane: Interesting band, yeah

Scott Hammond: … my daughter, Mc- hey, Mikayla, Arctic Monkeys, he's talking about 'em.

Myles Cochrane: Heck yeah. Uh, you know, um, John from Portugal The Man, they were able to come through here, and I got to speak to him, um, at length. Uh, you know, electronic dance music lovers probably like Pretty

Myles Cochrane: Lights.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um, got to interview him. And, um, you know, it's just, it's really fortunate to, to be able to interview guys like Bud Gaugh from Sublime, you know, the drummer.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, uh, just some of these really interesting people. Um, but the main thing you gotta recognize is, like, hey, you know, talking to famous people doesn't make you interesting.

Scott Hammond: No.

Myles Cochrane: You gotta bring something out of them, you know?

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: You gotta ask 'em questions that-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … nobody else is because really the best thing, um, that, that you could do whenever you're on the phone or interviewing any of those people in person is to find a, a part of them that makes them excited to talk to you still because-

Scott Hammond: That's good

Myles Cochrane: … a lot of them are just so-

Scott Hammond: I like it

Myles Cochrane: … they're so, oh, their agents are making them do interview after interview-

Scott Hammond: They've done it

Myles Cochrane: … after interview.

Scott Hammond: Thousands of them. Ugh.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. And you-

Scott Hammond: We've-

Myles Cochrane: … that's, you gotta find that in people, and it's-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … really hard to find the passion in people, but I think everybody's got it.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: You just gotta find, you know, where to itch and, and have them have that sort of reaction like a dog.

Scott Hammond: So you've set this up. So let's do this. Let, let me trigger you.

Myles Cochrane: No. Okay.

Scott Hammond: So what's your passion? Uh, it's obviously your shows.

Myles Cochrane: My passion-

Scott Hammond: Your dau- your dau-

Myles Cochrane: My passion is-

Scott Hammond: … your daughter

Myles Cochrane: … music and, uh, you know, um, fitness and, um, you know, trying to engage with a kind community. Um, I feel like an informed community is a powerful community, so that's where-

Scott Hammond: Good

Myles Cochrane: … Humboldt Last Week comes from. I really love informing people. Um, and, uh, I just wanna engage with kind people, and-

Scott Hammond: I love it

Myles Cochrane: … you know what I always tell my daughter, um, before she goes to bed every night is, "Be kind."

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: "Do the things you love."

Scott Hammond: Hmm.

Myles Cochrane: "Try your best. Practice what you wanna be good at."

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Myles Cochrane: "And never give up on the things that fire you up."

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Myles Cochrane: And I think that's really, that mantra is my philosophy in life.

Scott Hammond: I like it.

Myles Cochrane: And I just wanna find people that are passionate and doing the things that they

Myles Cochrane: love.

Scott Hammond: Can you do those one more time? 'Cause I think they're worth repeating.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. It's be kind.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Myles Cochrane: Do the things you love.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Myles Cochrane: Try your best. Practice the things you wanna be good at, and never give up on the things that fire you up.

Scott Hammond: Never give up.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And I, I like what you're saying because the kindness that will battle and oppose the darkness of separation, which has kind of been a little bit of a theme here in, in 43 podcasts, there's, not always, but that there's, there's always the bummer piece of our culture in Humboldt of people that are, they're just, you know, the turds that just make it weird and make it hard and, and are oppositional just because, and-

Myles Cochrane: Sure

Scott Hammond: I, I love that part of your passion 'cause that, I believe that kindness is, is the part that will be, um, graciousness, love, whatever you-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. I mean, I stopped replying to trolls about four or five years ago 'cause, you know, they just come out, and they're just, you know, you can't-

Scott Hammond: Well, you were Lo- you were Loco. I mean, you guys were part of Loco, right? I mean, it's just-

Myles Cochrane: Sure. Sure. And so, you know-

Scott Hammond: Didn't you guys invent trolls?

Myles Cochrane: Pretty much-

Scott Hammond: That-

Myles Cochrane: In the Thunderdome, baby

Scott Hammond: … Is there-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … is there a basement of trolls-

Myles Cochrane: I lived under-

Scott Hammond: … somewhere under the studio in Ferndale?

Myles Cochrane: I am sure a, a few things have been said about me in the Thunderdome, but-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … uh, you know, over the years you come to, to… I guess I've been trying to remind people lately that, um, this world that we live in with all this social media, all the algorithms are designed to just piss you off. It's outrage culture right now.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, there's no cancel culture going on right now. It's outrage culture.

Scott Hammond: Well said.

Myles Cochrane: What can we get you mad about? Um, and let's not be manipulated by that, you know? A lot of us are people that just are looking for the kindness, the

Myles Cochrane: passions.

Scott Hammond: Agreed.

Myles Cochrane: You know? And, and we gotta find that in people. And, and sometimes, you know, especially with the folks, you gotta figure out just, um, how to talk to them.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and, and that's, I love doing that, too, is trying to find different ways of connecting with people.

Scott Hammond: I love it.

Myles Cochrane: Um, uh, you know, my government job, I have to talk to a lot of people that are really

Myles Cochrane: angry.

Scott Hammond: Let's talk about that.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: What's that like right now?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. I mean, you know, helping people get the information that they need without cussing at you-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … um, has become an art form.

Scott Hammond: Hmm.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, you know, it's actually something that I really enjoy doing, too-

Scott Hammond: That's cool

Myles Cochrane: … is, is just the art of the conversation, um, the art of, uh, mediating, the art of-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Myles Cochrane: … you know, uh, bringing perspective into, um, our situations.

Scott Hammond: That's good.

Myles Cochrane: And that's, that's, that's definitely something that, uh, that gets me going, too.

Scott Hammond: Something that works in our office that's amazing, shout out to Sam Senn, my, um, teammate at State Farm. He, he brings it right in. You know, he used to work at Health Support. He's, he's a, in sales. But what is your concern? So a lot of people come in ar- they can't articulate what they need.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: What's your main concern right now? 'Cause let's, let's… Oh, I wanna save money. Okay. Great. Let's save money.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And you're, you're, uh… And w- what's keeping us from that? Let's talk about that.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: What's your outcome that you'd like to see? That I'd like to see, I'd save 20 bucks a month. Okay. Great. And so now we've defined that. We can bring all that in. And I think people come in and they fl- they, they're flipped out, and we're not definitive about what we need.

Myles Cochrane: Well, yeah.

Scott Hammond: And we're not good at s- telling people and asking for what we need.

Myles Cochrane: I was gonna say, like, life at State Farm, it's not just being, you know, on park benches and on buses, you know, seeing your, your nice face with a big smile on

Myles Cochrane: it with the-

Scott Hammond: That's-

Myles Cochrane: … State Farm logo.

Scott Hammond: I haven't bought one of those yet.

Myles Cochrane: Hey, we're giving you ideas now. But, uh, you know, we, we see you everywhere. We see your, your name in everywhere. And, you know-

Scott Hammond: Thank you

Myles Cochrane: … you're, you're the insurance guy, but, you know, you're also a therapist, right?

Scott Hammond: I hope so.

Myles Cochrane: I mean, uh, people come to you at some of the most stressed out

Myles Cochrane: times-

Scott Hammond: It's hard

Myles Cochrane: … of their life.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, you just got a big old scratch down the side of your car. You don't know it came from.

Myles Cochrane: Your-

Scott Hammond: Oh, man.

Myles Cochrane: And yeah. How do you do that?

Myles Cochrane: How do you-

Scott Hammond: My mom died. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: What are you gonna… I, I think you sit with people, and it, and you would know my answer 'cause you probably do the same thing. You sit with people, and you feel it, and you get in the boat, and it's genuine and real. And, um, try to be present and stay present. Um, and some things are, some things are really big that are not that big. You know, this guy, my friend Scott, has this old Mitsubishi, and I'm going, "Dude, we'll get it fixed." It's, it's, "No, it's my life." I'm going, "Come on, Scotty boy. It's, it's, it, it's fixable."

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's a windshield. It's a scratch. It's whatever. Uh, and sometimes if you play your cards right, my, which was my, what my dad used to say, you, you could connect, and there's, there's, um, the magic moment of feeling the, the magic of support, that you gave it, they received it, and, and there's a solution. And we walked you through the crisis and like a good neighbor. Um, I don't, I don't need to trivialize it.

Myles Cochrane: Big part of it.

Scott Hammond: I'm trying to be cute, but the-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. There's that dichotomy, I think, that everybody's going through, and they come to you, and then on, on one side they're thinking, "Oh, I'm such an idiot," or, "Oh, I hate that person that did that"-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … or, "Oh, I, I just wish this… I can't believe this happened."

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Then there's the other side of folks that you probably remind people to put it into perspective. "Hey, you get to live another day."

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: The, "You'll drive again very soon. This is just going to be another blip." Um-

Scott Hammond: No, no one was hurt in the wreck.

Myles Cochrane: Right.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And-

Scott Hammond: Are you okay?

Myles Cochrane: And yeah, remember that, hey, this is the perspective of everything

Myles Cochrane: and-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … yeah.

Scott Hammond: And cars get fixed or repaired or replaced, and I, I think it gets tougher. Just, I'm glad you asked, so thank you for interviewing me. I've never been on my own show yet.

Scott Hammond: Hey.

Myles Cochrane: Welcome to 100% Humboldt with Myles Cochrane.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Thanks, Myles. Thanks for having me. Uh, you know, I, I think there's… The hard part is when, uh, you're in a wreck and it's really your

Scott Hammond: fault, or you've damaged something or someone and you're going to pay the penalty now of higher rates for a time-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … or, or someone was hurt and you feel terrible, or they came out of their car and they came at you, bro, and they yelled at you, and they got way up in your grill and-

Myles Cochrane: Right

Scott Hammond: … and gave you a bunch of crap. And those are the hard ones where it's kinda personal.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And, you know, or you were found 51%, which

Scott Hammond: is the same as 100%.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: 100% Humboldt.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Um, and that, those are hard. Those are hard because it, it was, uh, barely your fault, but it was your fault.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And so those are, those are delivery things that are hard, but we have insurance for those losses and, you know. And the harder, the harder ones is, are, um, are, is death. You know, loved my mom. She was amazing. She died last week. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.Um, the nice thing is everybody else is bringing a casserole. We're bringing a quarter-million-dollar check-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … ho-hopefully.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So, you know, in a good world, you could say, "Yes, your mother did have life insurance, and we'll be writing a check-"

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … FedExing that-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … to y'all here shortly.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, you get to see that look on their face whenever-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … you've made that investment.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. I'm, I'm uneasy here 'cause it… I don't wanna get pitchy, and it's, im- immediately it's like, "Hey, that's… Wait, this is my passion. I like taking care of people."

Myles Cochrane: No, that's good.

Scott Hammond: And my-

Myles Cochrane: That's what I like to hear about

Scott Hammond: … my friend Ron, who's just a great guy, Ron Pledge, used to own the Tri-City paper here locally, some people will know him. He said… I said, "So what are you doing these days in retirement?" He goes, "I take care of people." I go, "What?" He goes, "I take care of people." And I go, "That's pretty cool. What do you mean by that?" "No, like, my daughter, my wife, my pe- people that call me, that people are in crisis."

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: "And I'm there for them, and I support them." And I go, "That's pretty cool."

Myles Cochrane: That's-

Scott Hammond: We talked about that this morning, in fact, on the phone

Myles Cochrane: … so rewarding-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … helping people and leaving feeling like you've done something to help them.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: He goes, "You're call number four this morning." I said, "Okay, do I have a… Is there a time limit?" He goes, "No, go for it."

Myles Cochrane: That's awesome.

Scott Hammond: Anyway, so, uh, what, what, what do you see going forward for the shows, for your, your life? What do you, what do you wanna see? What's your five-year plan?

Myles Cochrane: You know, um, my, my main five-year plan is just to continue to be the best dad that I can be-

Scott Hammond: Nice

Myles Cochrane: … and the best partner that I can be. Um, you know, uh, support, um, my family and my community in any way that I can. Um, and, and continue to try to follow those passions-

Scott Hammond: That's great. Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … and, you know, contin- continue to try to experience things that I can share with people. Um, and, and I just, I love that, you know? I, I love being able to, to do a lot of those things. But yeah, like, the five-year plan, um, you know, I'm still gonna be here in Humboldt County.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, I'm still gonna be, um, you know, raising a, a daughter with an awesome team. And, uh-

Scott Hammond: That's cool

Myles Cochrane: … I think there's a lot of people out there that are, you know, kind of in the same boat. They really-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Myles Cochrane: … wanna take care of those that are really close to them and-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … and, and their neighbors.

Scott Hammond: What-

Myles Cochrane: And that's the thing is, like, really taking care of your neighbors is, is something

Myles Cochrane: that-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … um, that does kinda follow under the umbrella of, um, an informed community.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, you know, that's one of my loftier goals with Humboldt Last Week is that, uh, the more people that are informed of what's going on in their communities, the better they can vote, the better they

Myles Cochrane: can, um, have discussions among community members-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … that are factual and, and based in, um, some sort of perspective-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … that doesn't necessarily demonize because everything is in shades of

Myles Cochrane: gray.

Scott Hammond: Yep.

Myles Cochrane: And, and so the more you know-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … the better you can do as a community.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: So, um, yeah, that's still gonna be my passion. Um, I don't know how long Humboldt Last Week will be.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: You know? And I don't know how long Home Along Alternative will be, but I think, uh, no matter what I do, it, it's probably gonna be following some sort of passion similar to that, you know?

Scott Hammond: That's cool.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, news and information, um, music.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, you know, and I'll still be going to the gym and seeing you every once in a

Myles Cochrane: while.

Scott Hammond: Good, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I work out a lot. My gains, I have gains.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah. You're on the, uh, the creatine and-

Scott Hammond: No, I wish I was

Myles Cochrane: … protein.

Scott Hammond: My son-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … uh, my son could put up 450 on a bench.

Myles Cochrane: That's incredible.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. He is on all kinds of creatine stuff.

Myles Cochrane: Oh my gosh.

Scott Hammond: He eats, he eats my, my life out of protein.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Costco's just outrageous for those-

Myles Cochrane: So yeah, I mean, 'cause yeah, if you, um, if you're really getting those gains like that, you need, like, pretty much a gram of protein per pound.

Scott Hammond: Dude's eating his-

Myles Cochrane: And-

Scott Hammond: Yeah, peanut butter

Myles Cochrane: … oh, God.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Oh my gosh. That's-

Scott Hammond: He goes, "I hate eating. I have to eat."

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: He's putting away, like, all this hamburger and stuff. He goes, "I just ta- it doesn't even taste good." He's just…

Scott Hammond: So he's, um-

Myles Cochrane: So all this eating he has to do.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: These days, he gets the munchies, though-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … and he goes for it.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, good.

Scott Hammond: So it's, I think that's probably helped him.

Scott Hammond: So-

Myles Cochrane: Cannabis?

Scott Hammond: Yep. So thank you.

Myles Cochrane: Okay, okay.

Scott Hammond: S- I don't know. I, I go, "That's gotta be demotivating, dude." It's like c- cannabis is kinda-

Myles Cochrane: Well, some people, I mean, there are medicinal qualities. I know that it helps people sleep.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Myles Cochrane: I think that's, like, one of the, you know-

Scott Hammond: Absolutely

Myles Cochrane: … chills people out, but, you know, you just, just like anything that's sort of a vice, you don't wanna, you don't wanna get s-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … stuck on it, you know?

Scott Hammond: In, in our concern, he's 19, and he's not full, his brain's not fully formed and-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Um, so I, I liked what you said, though, about we all share that, hopefully we all share that vision in common. We wanna take care of our, our own, our families, those around us-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … in the community.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's like, oh, that goes, that goes across all boundaries-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … in a good way.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And we can, we can share that vision, and, and I think information inf- informed, but I think it's beyond information. It's wisdom and having a discourse with somebody that's totally different.

Myles Cochrane: Sure.

Scott Hammond: And my wife's really good at this. She could go, "Oh, what's behi- let's…" We have a new saying, "Let's get curious. Let's find out what that's about, 'cause I don't really like that, but dude, talk about it. Let's, let's go. What, what do you got?"

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: "What, how do you, how do you derive life from that thing that you do that's so interesting for us?"

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And, and to, and to really, it… She's really good at doing, I think, what you're talking about, and that is without judgment, without a bunch of response.

Myles Cochrane: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: She's able to, um, assimilate and go, "Hey, uh, okay, cool." And, and I get to come along for the journey and learn from her.

Myles Cochrane: Well, that's, yeah-

Scott Hammond: Thank you, Joni. Shout out to Joni.

Myles Cochrane: Hey, Joni. Yeah, that's the sh- that's the, um, the journalistic vision really is sort of a triangulation.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, you know, getting different perspectives on-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Myles Cochrane: … every story, um, but also being objective. And, and so, um, to a fault, that makes me sort of a moderate, which a lot of people are, you know.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: In Humboldt County, they don't necessarily love moderates.

Scott Hammond: What is, what is a moderate? What is, what are they?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Um, but, uh, you know, you have to be. You have to balance perspectives.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, but you have to, you know, call BS whenever you see it.

Myles Cochrane: Uh-

Scott Hammond: Yeah, there's a BS part

Myles Cochrane: … you have to not be manipulated. Um, you know, and there's a lot of, uh, press releases that come out, uh, that people view as news-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Myles Cochrane: … and they should understand that, hey, this is coming from, um, the organization that wants you to read it this way.

Myles Cochrane: Um, this-

Scott Hammond: Uh

Myles Cochrane: … hasn't gone through the wringer of a, uh, of a journalist looking it over.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: And so, um, there's a lot going on, uh, in terms of, hey, uh, hey, I don't necessarily agree with the thing that's happening right now. Uh, I don't really like what's happening right now.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: But I still gotta put it in the podcast.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Right? And so that's separating yourself-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … as a journalist from, um, you know, from what you want to what you need to deliver to.

Scott Hammond: That's tough to do.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. That's a lost, lost art form in some ways.

Myles Cochrane: Well, and it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate that journalism has changed so much-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Myles Cochrane: … over the years. You know?

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: It just used to be something that was admired, the fourth estate, you

Myles Cochrane: know?

Scott Hammond: Right.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, and, and it still can be that, but, you know, there's a lot of people out there that, uh, will not watch a cable news channel-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … um, that does not just regurgitate their opinions to them.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, um, and that's unfortunate.

Scott Hammond: Bias confirmation, is that what that is?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. And I, I look at, I mean, I, I quit looking at news about three years ago, but every once in a while I'll dip back in and go, "Oh, there's four stories on

Scott Hammond: ABC."

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: There's snow back east and trucks are sliding all over the place.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Trump's an idiot.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: COVID's raging, and there's a fourth one that, uh, it was something else. But they just regurgitated the same crap-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah, the bees are gone

Scott Hammond: … for a year.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's like our… Oh my God, can't these guys get creative with something new and-

Myles Cochrane: The murder hornets, yeah

Scott Hammond: … murder, yeah, so that'd be fun. Um, so you look at that and you go, "What is going on?" And, and I… And CNN and Fox News, it's like it's just commentary.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's, it's a lot of commentary-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … and very little news. It's so, uh, to your point-

Myles Cochrane: You know, just 24-hour news is just kind of a silly thing in general because there's so much… If they tried with filler and filler didn't work, and so you know what they put in there? Um,

Myles Cochrane: bias.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Confirmation bias.

Scott Hammond: Tons, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And it's sold, and that's unfortunate whenever you've got-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … um, the advertisers-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … telling you that, hey, viewers, clicks, that's what matters to-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … that w- that's what matters today.

Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, and so, you know, that's… There's a lot of people out there that will not get off that boat.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: They will still watch those channels.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Myles Cochrane: They will still say rude, mean, uneducated things in Facebook comment sections.

Scott Hammond: Crazy.

Myles Cochrane: And, um, and they like it because they like the, the dopamine hits that come from their notifications. Um, and they're, they're addicted-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … to, to this sort of thing, you know?

Scott Hammond: It's crazy.

Myles Cochrane: You can't win those people over, and you never will.

Scott Hammond: And so, yeah, it's, it's crazy.

Scott Hammond: And I-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … I see those. I see friends that do that, and it's just a great, grave disappointment.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: You know, uh, flat Earther people, and it's like-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And it, and it's everybody on all sides. Uh, just to be fair, it's an equal f- playing field.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And, uh, you know, the human condition continues to be twisted and

Scott Hammond: weird.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. And that, that could be balance, too, because, you know, you don't wanna be too judgy. Um, because the, the main thing that I learned after my days on

Myles Cochrane: KSLUG-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … was, you know, and this is a big lesson that I needed to learn, was that do not stomp on anybody's joy-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … if it isn't hurting anybody.

Scott Hammond: Ah.

Myles Cochrane: And, you know, uh, a lot of these jocks back in the day on the radio-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … uh, it was all if you're doing rock on the radio, you're making fun of pop.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Myles Cochrane: And, and you're, you're making fun of this and making fun of that.

Scott Hammond: Poor D- poor disco.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, poor disco. I love disco.

Scott Hammond: Dang disco.

Myles Cochrane: I love disco.

Scott Hammond: Ah, those disco dads.

Myles Cochrane: There's nothing wrong with that. I love, you know, do that fun dance that you do and-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … that's good times. And you know what?

Scott Hammond: John Travolta.

Myles Cochrane: Don't stomp on anything that, uh, yeah, brings somebody joy, you know?

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: You don't wanna take anybody's smile away.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: There's, there's room for everybody in the party.

Myles Cochrane: And I guess, I don't know, maybe there's some people that just really love thinking that the Earth is flat, and they get joy out of it.

Myles Cochrane: But, uh-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … I don't know how that's helping.

Scott Hammond: Maybe it is partially flat. It's… What's the other thing, the crop dusting, the crop thing?

Myles Cochrane: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: The Scott-

Myles Cochrane: The-

Scott Hammond: … Nickel, no. Cr- crop, uh-

Myles Cochrane: That's not a, that's not a farting reference.

Myles Cochrane: It's, it's-

Scott Hammond: What's it, what's it called? No.

Scott Hammond: Chemt-

Myles Cochrane: Contrails, yes

Scott Hammond: … chemt- oh, the chemtrails.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, they're seeding us for, you know, what?

Myles Cochrane: Well, yeah, man.

Scott Hammond: Oh, gosh.

Myles Cochrane: I mean, how could they not, you know?

Myles Cochrane: That's- That's how they get you to vote for Trump and Biden

Scott Hammond: … that's how-

Myles Cochrane: You know?

Scott Hammond: That's-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … so Bill Maher, interesting, I was watching that, hi- him, uh, six months ago, uh, called… And I really like him. I didn't think I liked him, but he's, he's, uh, he's pretty objective in some ways.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: And he had these pollsters on, and they all go, "It's gotta be Trump, man." It's, he goes, "People under 30," these pollsters are going, "People under 30 hate Biden."

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And I'm, and, and all the numbers, and I'm going, "Wait, he's, he's being

Scott Hammond: objective."

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Like, he's trying to give it as they gave it to him.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, you know what? And-

Scott Hammond: It was just an interesting… I go, "Wait, I don't normally agree with this guy, and I don't know i- I like that either," but-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … it's like, uh, great respect.

Myles Cochrane: Well, you know what? If you wanna find, um, a blanket statement that gets agreement on the left and the right, it's, you could say that Bill Maher is often a jackass- … because he's, he, he can be so right about so many things, but, um, I love that, uh, Bill Burr and he were talking recently, and, uh, you know, he had Bill Burr on his, uh, his other podcast besides Real Time. And Bill asked him, "Hey, Bill, do you ever apologize for anything? Have you ever said-

Scott Hammond: Said you're sorry

Myles Cochrane: … sorry?" And he's like-

Scott Hammond: No

Myles Cochrane: … maybe he said that he did, but I don't know if it's necessarily is true, you know? But, um, yeah, here's a guy who, who does call it like it is

Myles Cochrane: often. Um-

Scott Hammond: But he gets it wrong, wrong from time to time.

Myles Cochrane: He, he does. He does. He's not perfect. N- nobody is.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And I think that's, that's a problem, is, you know, we get these people that are like, "Hey, Bill Maher, everything he says is gold," and, "Hey, Joe Rogan, everything he says is gold," and, uh, "Hey, Fox News and CNN, everything they say is gold."

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Myles Cochrane: And we gotta stop this-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … you know? Um-

Scott Hammond: Dang- it's dangerous talk.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, it's true. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Myles Cochrane: And hey, everything I say is not gold either.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um, you know, fact-check me.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Fact-check everybody.

Scott Hammond: I wonder if everything I say is gold. You know, I'm just kind of…Thinking maybe not.

Myles Cochrane: Got the Midas touch, man. Come on.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, the, the, the desk is golden.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: This is beautiful. Hey, it's that time of the show, folks.

Myles Cochrane: Ooh.

Scott Hammond: Are you ready?

Myles Cochrane: I'm ready. What is it this time of the show?

Scott Hammond: So, so this is, this is the time of the show where you could call out all that stuff you hate. No-

Myles Cochrane: Do I get to phone a friend?

Scott Hammond: The airing, the airing of grievances. No, I'm ki- I'm kidding. No-

Myles Cochrane: The Festivus.

Scott Hammond: No, the, yeah-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … kind of Festivus.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: No, it is Festivus because you're gonna let us know what you like about Humboldt. So I'll do a couple of general statements, so we'll just start with statement number one. What do you like about Humboldt?

Myles Cochrane: I love so many things about Humboldt.

Scott Hammond: Top three. Go.

Myles Cochrane: So thank you so much for asking. I love the nature here.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Um, you know, I love taking photographs and hiking in this amazing nature-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … that we have. Pristine coastlines, towering redwoods.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, you know, the nature is just incredible.

Scott Hammond: My wife just got back from Dallason Prairie a half hour ago up in, you know, up by, uh, Psst, Redwood Creek.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, okay. Okay.

Scott Hammond: They, they said it was magic out there today.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Eight-mile hike. They just cr- jammed it.

Myles Cochrane: Gotta love the redwoods.

Scott Hammond: So the nature is that all-

Myles Cochrane: You got the red curtain, not the redwood curtain, but you got a red curtain here.

Scott Hammond: It's close enough, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: The red curtain within the redwood curtain. Was that number one, two, and three, or do you have two more?

Myles Cochrane: No, I have many more. Um, I could probably go for days, man. Uh, I, I love the art. Um, I love the music. Um, you know, the, the culture in this community.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, people always talk about, you know, the most artists per capita of anywhere in the world, and that's really true, and so a lot of the people that you talk to here are passionate-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … and kind. Like those things that I was talking about, be kind, do the things you love, try your best, build-

Scott Hammond: Is that real, though?

Myles Cochrane: … build people.

Scott Hammond: Are people really c- I'm, no, I, I know they are.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I, the, I love the people here, most of them. The, um, love you. Uh, is that true, though? Is it most artists per capita? Is there, is that, is that clo-

Myles Cochrane: I don't know-

Scott Hammond: I think it-

Myles Cochrane: … I don't know what kind of data you could-

Scott Hammond: It could be pretty true

Myles Cochrane: … I mean, people say that-

Scott Hammond: It's probably top 10%

Myles Cochrane: … and it's really, it, it's gotta be true.

Scott Hammond: 2%. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Because I'll tell you what, any time you just get into a conversation with some random at The Shanty-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … uh, they're gonna tell you that they're working on some piece of art, you know?

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Most of the time. And, uh, whether it's, whether it's, you know, for profession or-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … just, you know, as a hobby, um, and there's a lot to be said

Myles Cochrane: about-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Myles Cochrane: … spending time on art.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, you know, it gets your hands off that damn phone.

Scott Hammond: Amen. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, so yeah.

Scott Hammond: Speaking of the, uh, Clam Beach Inn up in Clam Beach.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Recently closed. We saw Waylon, Waylon Aaron Jennings. It was a one-time thing.

Myles Cochrane: Waylon Rubidor. Wow.

Scott Hammond: He's the rando that we saw one night several years ago pre-COVID, that it took him like five hot toddies before he could get his singing voice.

Myles Cochrane: Uh-huh.

Scott Hammond: And he was on tour in Hi and Palm and Garberville and then here.

Myles Cochrane: Okay.

Scott Hammond: In McKinleyville, our little town.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. That's like a, Hank Williams III comes through here every once in a while.

Scott Hammond: And he's, he was quite a yodeler.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, the third comes through, right?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah. And, and that's my third favorite thing is all the yodeling, um, in Humboldt. I don't know.

Scott Hammond: Yodel competition.

Myles Cochrane: I love, I love not being in traffic, man.

Scott Hammond: Amen.

Myles Cochrane: I just don't like traffic. So-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … um, thank you so much for, uh, the good drivers in Humboldt County. There are some of you that, like, merge onto the highway-

Scott Hammond: Oh my gosh

Myles Cochrane: … at highway speed and, like-

Scott Hammond: Ugh

Myles Cochrane: … let, get out of the way, and don't do that weird thing at the four-way stop where you, like, wave somebody on, but it's clearly your turn.

Myles Cochrane: Like-

Scott Hammond: Right

Myles Cochrane: … be a good driver. Like, be smart about it and, uh, you know, and chill out.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Are you in a hurry?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Like-

Scott Hammond: Where are you going, man?

Myles Cochrane: Just add 10 minutes to your route and just drive the limit-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … bro.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh-

Scott Hammond: Do that

Myles Cochrane: … those sp- And there are a lot of people out there, um, that do that, and you can

Myles Cochrane: do that.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: That, that sounds like a pet peeve maybe of yours. Just I think I hit a note. I, there's this passion.

Myles Cochrane: Well, y- I mean, it's better, the traffic here is so much better-

Scott Hammond: Amen

Myles Cochrane: … than, uh, LA.

Scott Hammond: We have one light on the way to McKinleyville, and I've got to, uh… And I have the secret where I go around it.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, there you go.

Scott Hammond: It's, uh, it, I don't do it, I don't do it aggressively. I s- I'm safe, but it's, it's one light. And you might have to wait three minutes.

Myles Cochrane: Uh-huh.

Scott Hammond: Three whole minutes out of my life.

Myles Cochrane: Uh-huh.

Scott Hammond: And I'm so important and in a hurry, you know, like you.

Myles Cochrane: But you take the detour. You take the, uh, the scenic route.

Scott Hammond: And, uh, you know, sometimes it takes the long way home. So, hey, question number two. If you were to, uh, eat out, and I, I, I don't want this to interfere with any of your sponsors 'cause that, I don't wanna mess with that, but if you were to eat out, go out, where, where do you, where do you take your sweetie?

Myles Cochrane: Oh my gosh. Well, I'm gonna be the, um, cliche guy and, uh, mention Laripen.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, Laripen just does an incredible job.

Scott Hammond: It's a great cliche.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. I mean, they're just ama- amazing. The brie over there is-

Scott Hammond: Oh my gosh

Myles Cochrane: … just, like, my favorite thing in the world, uh, with the, oh, the jam that they put on it and just all the-

Scott Hammond: Good

Myles Cochrane: … the nuts and, oh.

Scott Hammond: Mis- mission figs.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Oh my gosh, man. Um, you know, I love Laripen so much, and, and we love going there. Um, you know, and-

Scott Hammond: You're in Fortuna, so it's, it, that's a drive

Myles Cochrane: … it's a drive. It's a drive out there, but we make it a thing. You know, we'll go up to Trinidad, and we'll hike Trinidad Head or Elk Head or-

Scott Hammond: Sure

Myles Cochrane: … uh, you know, we'll do College Cove or something.

Scott Hammond: Earn this.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah. Get out there for a hike, take some photos, you know-

Scott Hammond: Love it

Myles Cochrane: … talk to each other, and then keep talking to each other at the restaurant. Um, shout out to Shai. Love you, girl.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, yeah, you know, sometimes we like to go to, um, to Sunset at Cherry Heights.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, or the Heights I guess right now, right?

Scott Hammond: It's called The Heights.

Myles Cochrane: Not The Cherry. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: They have a k- killer view.

Myles Cochrane: I think, in fact, they put you in prison for saying, saying the Cherry part, so.

Scott Hammond: Oh, really?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. We don't want that to happen.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. It's a, it's a crime. Um-

Scott Hammond: It's a cri-

Myles Cochrane: And-

Scott Hammond: It's a crime.

Myles Cochrane: I love Shamus T-Bones. Uh, you know, they do a pretty good job.

Scott Hammond: They've been there for a while, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Love the ribeyes at, uh, Double A-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Myles Cochrane: … um, in Eureka.

Scott Hammond: Yep. Good steak.

Myles Cochrane: Good steak. Um, good vibes. My, Shai and I were there once, and this guy, um, we showed up, and, you

Myles Cochrane: know-Uh, we were sat in such a way that they didn't have enough room to sit all of their party. And so we just, we were like, "Oh yeah, let's just scoot down so you can fit everybody." Ended up talking to this guy-

Scott Hammond: Ha

Myles Cochrane: … for the whole time we were there. Spent $100 on our meal.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Myles Cochrane: He bought our meal there.

Scott Hammond: Oh, cool.

Myles Cochrane: And, um, and so I mean, and these things happen in Humboldt County-

Scott Hammond: Sure

Myles Cochrane: … because you have the kind people that just-

Scott Hammond: People are great

Myles Cochrane: … they d- they want the random acts of kindness.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: You know, and, and they love that.

Myles Cochrane: And-

Scott Hammond: I love it.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So cool. Okay, last question. So nature guy, where do you go for your top three hikes?

Myles Cochrane: Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you know-

Scott Hammond: A day of hiking and you could do three hikes.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. So my favorite one being, um, you know, an Eel River Valley guy down

Myles Cochrane: in Fortuna-

Scott Hammond: Sure

Myles Cochrane: … was being able to pop over to Ferndale and then head over to, you know, Centerville Beach, a little south of that.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Myles Cochrane: Fleener and Guthrie. It's closed now because of all the erosion.

Scott Hammond: The slides, yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. So that, that was one of my favorite spots, and I really do, um-

Scott Hammond: Those are cool

Myles Cochrane: … look forward to going back there because it's just a s- a spot that holds so much, um, uh, just a special place

Myles Cochrane: in my heart.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, and then in addition to that, I don't know, I would say that I love going up to Trinidad, you know?

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Strawberry Rock-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … is just, uh, it's one of the best views you will ever see.

Scott Hammond: Got to the top of the rope and everything?

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. Yo, absolutely.

Scott Hammond: Oh, you're pretty-

Myles Cochrane: I brought my dad out there.

Scott Hammond: That's right. You're rad. You're in shape.

Scott Hammond: I-

Myles Cochrane: I brought my dad out there and, you know, he- she- he didn't wanna do the rope part.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: And, um, but there's still a great view off to the side.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: And you know, he looked at me and said, "This is still worth it," you know?

Scott Hammond: This is enough right here.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. It, it was-

Scott Hammond: That's cool

Myles Cochrane: … it was, it was real nice. And if you go out to Strawberry Rock, I highly recommend, you know, taking your backpack, a cold beverage of some kind, you know, whether it just be some electrolytes on ice or something.

Scott Hammond: And sit up there.

Myles Cochrane: Sit up there, bring a sandwich.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: You know, bring some, some brie, you know-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Myles Cochrane: … maybe some leftovers from Laripen and, uh, and enjoy it.

Scott Hammond: So okay.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: That's a good one.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah. So I'll, I'll go out there to, um, Strawberry Rock, Guthrie, Fleener. Um, Table Bluff is always a really good spot to go.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Myles Cochrane: Um, but then, you know, pop on up to, like, Orick.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Myles Cochrane: Uh, head up there, a little north of there, go to, um, Humboldt Redwoods-

Scott Hammond: Sure

Myles Cochrane: … and, uh, you know, do the, um, the-

Scott Hammond: Pra- Prairie Creek?

Myles Cochrane: … Prairie Creek Redwoods.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: And do the Trillium Falls Trail.

Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah. That's great.

Myles Cochrane: And pop out to, uh, Trillium Falls.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: That's a beautiful little trail. Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: That's my, that's my third favorite.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. So we, we've learned our, our date night is five minutes away from, from Camel Rock.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: But who to point. So we could pull the van out, here you go, bottle of wine, Dick Taylor chocolate, whatever, picnic, and, uh, it's five minutes from home. Why, why would you ever leave Humboldt? It's like- … this is, no traffic. It took, you know, five to seven minutes to get there, and-

Myles Cochrane: Oh, perfect

Scott Hammond: … we have, like, five, like, secret spots, so anyway.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, that's the way.

Scott Hammond: Uh, parting shots. What would you like to be remembered for, Myles?

Myles Cochrane: Remembered for?

Scott Hammond: Yeah. What, just in general, and what is that inscription that you have on that tombstone of yours?

Myles Cochrane: Um, just a guy, man. Just a dude.

Scott Hammond: Just a dude.

Myles Cochrane: As I've said several times, man. I'm just a guy. And, and really I think we should all aim for that. Um, you know, there's a lot of, uh, uh, problems with people that, that want to leave legacy.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, and that, that turns into ego.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Myles Cochrane: Right? And so there's all this sort of, like, celebrity worship that goes

Myles Cochrane: on.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Myles Cochrane: Um, you know, all of this, y- you know, you know, they say don't meet your heroes because eventually, you know, your heroes will live long enough to disappoint you.

Scott Hammond: Of course.

Myles Cochrane: You know? And so-

Scott Hammond: Every time

Myles Cochrane: … a- and so none of us, you know, we're all human beings that make

Myles Cochrane: mistakes.

Scott Hammond: Yep.

Myles Cochrane: And so the one-

Scott Hammond: So true

Myles Cochrane: … the one thing maybe that I want on my headstone was that, you know,

Myles Cochrane: I, I was, um, a guy that followed my passions, and I, I was nice to my family, nice to my neighbors.

Scott Hammond: I love it.

Myles Cochrane: So yeah.

Scott Hammond: I love it.

Myles Cochrane: Just a guy.

Scott Hammond: Hey, appreciate you coming.

Myles Cochrane: Thank you.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Thanks for coming. And one more shout-out on the, uh, the shows. Go. You have, like, thir- 10 seconds.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, yeah. How about, uh, Humboldt Last Week, where you get podcasts. Um, Hum Along Alternative Rock Radio with energy, passion, and distortion at

Myles Cochrane: humalt.com.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, yeah, just, um, a huge thank you to Scott-

Scott Hammond: Thank you

Myles Cochrane: … for having me on. Thank you so much to Nick for engineering.

Scott Hammond: Thanks, Nick. Nick's amazing.

Myles Cochrane: Um-

Scott Hammond: And you can find, we could find you on social media.

Scott Hammond: Just-

Myles Cochrane: Yeah, yeah. I'm on social media. Add me, I'll, I'll probably add you back.

Scott Hammond: Facebook, and I know you're on Facebook a little bit.

Myles Cochrane: TikTok, Instagram. Uh, don't really do X too much, but I'm on there.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Myles Cochrane: And, uh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Nice.

Myles Cochrane: Life is fun. TikTok, yeah. Hum Along Alternative on TikTok.

Scott Hammond: Saw that, yeah. That's where I saw the Queens, Queens of the what?

Myles Cochrane: Queens of the Stone Age.

Scott Hammond: I'm gonna go check that out again.

Myles Cochrane: Oh, that's good stuff. Yeah, you know what? If you wanna check Queens of the Stone Age, I would recommend starting with, um, I would recommend starting with Songs for the Deaf-

Scott Hammond: Okay. Will do

Myles Cochrane: … as an album. Listen to the drumming on that one, 'cause you got Dave Grohl as the drummer on that album.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Myles Cochrane: So.

Scott Hammond: Good tip.

Myles Cochrane: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Hey, thanks for coming. Have a great one.

Myles Cochrane: Hey, thanks, man. Appreciate it.