#120. Carol Jacobson on Music, Teaching, and the Eureka Symphony

Scott Hammond: Ladies and gentlemen, friends and neighbors, it's Scott Hammond and the 100% Humboldt Podcast with my new best friend, Carol Jacobson.

Scott Hammond: Hi, Carol.

Carol Jacobson: Hi, Scott.

Scott Hammond: Hi.

Carol Jacobson: So lovely to be here.

Scott Hammond: It's lovely to have you. How are you?

Carol Jacobson: I'm good.

Scott Hammond: Beautiful day in Eureka.

Carol Jacobson: Yes, and the season is over. I don't have to worry about studying my score for at least two months.

Scott Hammond: That's right. Oh, the season of what? So tell us what you do. I think it has something to do with Eureka Symphony.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah. Yes, it does. I, uh, I conduct, uh, and I'm the artistic director for the Eureka Symphony.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: And we just finished our final concert of the season.

Scott Hammond: Congrats.

Carol Jacobson: It was Brahms Requiem, and it was just stunning. I was just so thrilled by everybody's performance.

Scott Hammond: Lovely. I'm sorry we missed it. We, we like going. We've been a few times. So tell, what does, what does that entail? What i- what, where do we start?

Scott Hammond: So-

Carol Jacobson: I don't know. W- well, wait, how basic do you wanna go?

Scott Hammond: How did you build a symphony in Eureka?

Carol Jacobson: Well, I didn't build it.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: It's was there already.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: Uh, it got started, I believe it was in

Carol Jacobson: '92, 1992.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: Uh, a wonderful, uh, choral, choir director fr- who was up at what used to be Humboldt State

Carol Jacobson: University-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … back in the day.

Scott Hammond: Cal Poly.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, C- yeah, right, and, um, Ken Hannaford.

Scott Hammond: Ah.

Carol Jacobson: And he was a wonderful, wonderful musician.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And he was also, you know, real– He was a singer. He was a lovely tenor, and he wanted to be able to do works for a choir and orchestra.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: And there was the symphony up at Humboldt, but… And they would do the occasional work, but they didn't want their entire repertoire to be so, so choir oriented.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And so he started the, uh, the, the symphony, Eureka Symphony.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: And, um, I think, uh- … s- one of the members gave me a program from back in the day, and, and I think the Brahms Requiem, which we just performed, was the first thing that they did.

Scott Hammond: How about that?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Wow. I've heard his name.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: And he was, he was brilliant. He was lovely. People adored him.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And, uh, was just horrible and tragic-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Carol Jacobson: … that he got a brain tumor and died.

Scott Hammond: Hmm.

Carol Jacobson: I don't even think he was 45.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: You're using the w- word was a lot, so I figured he's, he was, he's moved on.

Carol Jacobson: He has moved on.

Scott Hammond: Well, that's moved on.

Carol Jacobson: I- yeah. And, um,

Carol Jacobson: so then it went to various people after that.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And eventually they were sort of in desperate need of someone, and at that time I had, I don't know if you remember the RMAC Orchestra-

Scott Hammond: Yes

Carol Jacobson: … and q- on the madrigal choir.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And I was directing that.

Scott Hammond: Arcata Mac High.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Did you teach up there, too?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Okay. So that's your backgr- We'll go to your background in a minute.

Carol Jacobson: It's varied. It's very varied.

Scott Hammond: High school, high school teacher.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, I did that for 20 years, man.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: N-

Scott Hammond: Tops.

Carol Jacobson: Ah. And, and, uh, but, and I loved it.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: I loved the kids, and I loved-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Carol Jacobson: … what we did, and I just devoted my life to it. And, um, we had, uh, we had f- we did our own fundraising through our own talent. I said, "We're not gonna h- sell stupid,

Carol Jacobson: you know, p- wrapping paper and cards and stuff."

Scott Hammond: Bake sale.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, bake sale, and, uh, chocolate bars or, you know, I

Carol Jacobson: said-

Scott Hammond: Car wash.

Carol Jacobson: Yes, exactly. Waste of time. I said, "You guys are all talented. You're wonderful."

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: "And we're gonna raise money with, through your talent."

Scott Hammond: Sing it.

Carol Jacobson: And so we started doing, we had, uh, every year we had a silent film festival. We had, um, a dinner that was served by, cooked and served by the parents and the kids.

Scott Hammond: Hmm.

Carol Jacobson: We'd choose a country every year, and the kids would play-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … music from that country. I, anyway, we just did all that, and I took them, I took them regularly to New York and to London, and we went-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … to, and I, and then when I took over the chorus, the choirs, and I, we went to, uh, Italy to festivals, and Paris.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: We, we really cooked. It was really great.

Scott Hammond: Far out.

Carol Jacobson: And then finally I just said, "Okay, I'm done."

Scott Hammond: That is… That's, there goes the towel. I threw it in.

Carol Jacobson: I'm, uh, yeah, I, I want, I want my life back anyway. But in about t- 2003, 2004, I was approached by the Eureka Symphony, and they said, "We really need a conductor."

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: "And, uh, would you consider it?"

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: But I was just so enmeshed with the, m- my high school job. I said, "Well, I'd be happy to try it out." I said, "But you have to do everything." I said, "I'll choose the repertoire. I'll r- do the rehearsals-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … and I'll conduct the concerts, but a- anything else, you have to do it all 'cause I just don't have time."

Scott Hammond: Good for you.

Carol Jacobson: So that's how we started.

Scott Hammond: Nice.

Carol Jacobson: And then, uh, then I started doing a little bit more and more and more and as I got more and more interested in-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … in Eureka and stuff. And it just was a, as I was building the orchestra and building our audience

Carol Jacobson: base-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … and stuff, uh, it just sort of coincided with the time that I was about ready-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … to be done with, uh, teaching high school.

Scott Hammond: So you're kinda like Mick Jagger building a rock band. You gotta go out and select the talent and get your- … get your people in place. Maybe more like the Moody Blues who had a sym- London Symphony.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, that, there we go.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I love that.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So tell us the, the Carol story. Where were you born and raised and-

Carol Jacobson: Mm

Scott Hammond: … where'd you go to school?

Carol Jacobson: Uh, I was born in r- Well, I was born in Oakland, and then when I was three, uh, my father, who was looking for a place to set up a practice as an optometrist, chose godforsaken Tracy, California-

Scott Hammond: Tracy

Carol Jacobson: … in the heat and-

Scott Hammond: Nothing out there

Carol Jacobson: … misery of-

Scott Hammond: In that day, there's nothing there.

Carol Jacobson: No. It was, well, there were 12,000 people in Tracy.

Carol Jacobson: I mean-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … it's, like, almost 200,000 now, I think.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: But I, I don't think I'd wanna be there even now, even with 200,000 people.

Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Thank you very much.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, no.

Carol Jacobson: You know, and it's hot, and it's nasty, and And, and by the time I got to be 18, I said, "Okay, I'm done here. I'm never gonna live in a hot place again."

Carol Jacobson: So, um, I had been going up to Humboldt with my father for the chamber music workshop that they have had-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … for forever and ever and ever and ever.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And so I fell in love with Humboldt and-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … at that time I was not planning on being a music major-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … but I, so I came up to Humboldt.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: And I, I think I changed my major five times or something like

Carol Jacobson: that.

Scott Hammond: That was, yeah. You and me.

Carol Jacobson: Finally. But that was back in the day where you could actually afford to do that.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: You know?

Scott Hammond: You could pivot really quickly.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: A- and, um, and, um, and it, it, you know, well, it just didn't cost that much. So, uh, so I did that, and,

Carol Jacobson: um, and then I finally decided, yes, I do want- 'cause I'd played cello ever since I was little.

Scott Hammond: Oh, love it.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: We're gonna go see Dirty Cello tomorrow night.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, th-

Scott Hammond: In Arcata

Carol Jacobson: … she's great.

Scott Hammond: Rebecca.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, Rebecca is wonderful.

Scott Hammond: My goodness.

Carol Jacobson: No, I… No, she's fantastic.

Scott Hammond: Have you met her?

Carol Jacobson: Yes, I have met her-

Scott Hammond: Sweetheart

Carol Jacobson: … down in the Bay Area. Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: That's a hardworking band. They're playing-

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah

Scott Hammond: … tonight they're playing in the city, they come up for Arcata tomorrow night, Leggett mid-afternoon, Sat- Saturday, and Napa on Sunday.

Carol Jacobson: Oh my God.

Scott Hammond: So these guys, like, bust their humps.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. Well, y- I mean, to make a living-

Scott Hammond: And she loves it

Carol Jacobson: … that's, that's a, it's a hard life, but-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Carol Jacobson: … I mean, but sh- she clearly loves it.

Scott Hammond: And they c- love to come to Humboldt. They have a little following here.

Carol Jacobson: Well, not a, n- not un- uh, unexpected, you know?

Scott Hammond: Joni and I are like little groupies there.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Now, she plays Jimi Hendrix on the cello.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: How'd you play that?

Carol Jacobson: No, she's great.

Scott Hammond: She's super, super-duper.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So what year did you graduate Humboldt?

Carol Jacobson: Oh, well,

Carol Jacobson: I-

Scott Hammond: How many years were you at Humboldt?

Carol Jacobson: So I… Yeah. Well, the thing is, is I never, I didn't graduate the first time, so I, I fell in love with my cello teacher and we took off for Europe.

Scott Hammond: Oh, oh, perfect.

Scott Hammond: Who doesn't?

Carol Jacobson: I mean, now I suppose, you know, it would be, you know, horrific, whatever. But, so anyway, so we went off to Europe and, uh, stayed there for

Carol Jacobson: 20 years.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: And, uh, played, played professionally. I, you know, af- he had a grant to study chamber music in Denmark.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: And so we did that for a year, and I did some studying too.

Scott Hammond: Like Copenhagen or?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, right in Copenhagen-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … at the conservatory there.

Scott Hammond: My son's been there a lot. They lived in Netherlands. They loved Den- they said Denmark was the bomb.

Scott Hammond: Beautiful.

Carol Jacobson: It's okay if you can manage the language.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Yeah, there's-

Carol Jacobson: I mean, I, I-

Scott Hammond: No, there's, Netherlands-

Carol Jacobson: It was, it was miserable language. It's the most difficult one I've ever tried to-

Scott Hammond: And Dutch is weird. Yeah. Oh, man.

Carol Jacobson: Well, I learned Dutch, so that's, that's… So then after a year he said, "Do you wanna go back?" I said, "No," and he said, "Neither do I." So I said, "What do we do?" He said, "Practice." So we started

Carol Jacobson: auditioning-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … and, uh, ended up in the opera orchestra in Norway.

Scott Hammond: Whoa.

Carol Jacobson: And so we stayed there for a year, but it was so far away from everything.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: So we auditioned for, um, uh, the ballet orchestra in

Carol Jacobson: Amsterdam-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … and got the jobs there, and s-

Scott Hammond: That's cool

Carol Jacobson: … stayed there for 18 years.

Scott Hammond: Been there for three summers in a row now.

Carol Jacobson: Oh. Well, that's-

Scott Hammond: Actually, in German it's three, drei. Um, so, uh, yeah, I have a son that lived in Utrecht.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, is he still there?

Scott Hammond: No, they just flew, and six months ago they live in Seoul, South Korea. She worked for Nike Europe.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, okay.

Scott Hammond: And, uh, just got a job with Samsung.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, wow.

Scott Hammond: So they went to the other s- she's Korean, and they have two darling girls, and all the aunties are in Seoul, and so.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah. That's lovely.

Scott Hammond: But Amsterdam's pretty darn fun.

Carol Jacobson: Yep. I stayed, well, so, um, we were there. We lived in Amsterdam, and we stayed there for, hmm, eh, eight years in Amsterdam.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: And then I got sick of ballet music, and I auditioned to play out at the radio, and I got into the radio symphony-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Carol Jacobson: … and stayed there another 10 years, and I loved it.

Carol Jacobson: And then-

Scott Hammond: In Netherlands?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. So, and then we bought a house, and yeah, it was

Carol Jacobson: great.

Scott Hammond: Where were you? Were you down by the park? Down by, um, like the, uh, what's the-

Carol Jacobson: Vondelpark?

Scott Hammond: The Rij- yeah, the Rij-

Carol Jacobson: The Rijksmuseum?

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Were you down that way?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. No, uh, well, we rented a house there for a while. We were, we were in the s- on the Spaarstraat for seven years, then we

Carol Jacobson: were, uh, down by the Vondelpark for one year, and then I got the job out at the radio, and then we were, so my husband and I were both commuting out of the city every morning, so we-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … went out to a little tiny town called Neurenen, which is south of Utrecht-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … by about half an hour.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: And bought a house, bought the old schoolmaster's house-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … and lived out there, and I just adored it.

Carol Jacobson: And-

Scott Hammond: That's way down there.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. It was great.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: And, uh, but then my husband decided it was time to come back to

Carol Jacobson: the States.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And so, so we did.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: And I was miserable.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: I hated being back. I cried and ate for three

Carol Jacobson: years.

Scott Hammond: Oh, no. Cry and ate. It's a bad combo.

Carol Jacobson: It's a bad combo. And, and then, um, uh, I, I started doing stuff up at the, up at, uh, Humboldt. They had the, uh, music academy up there.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And so that was Frank and Sheila Marks, for anybody who remembers them.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Carol Jacobson: And they were, uh, they were ready to, to pass it on. Still work, but so then they asked me if I would take it over.

Scott Hammond: Hugely talented, right? Both of them.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Amazing.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Incredible people.

Scott Hammond: So I remember Dr. Barlow, who was old when I was there.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And then Hubert Keneamer, was that his name?

Carol Jacobson: Yes, yes.

Scott Hammond: He was an interesting dude. He s- taught music one-on-one.

Carol Jacobson: We still exchange Christmas cards.

Scott Hammond: Is he still living?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: He's do- he's in Palo Alto.

Scott Hammond: Tell him I said hi. Well, he, he, yeah, I know he had no idea.

Carol Jacobson: He's a lovely, he's a lovely man. Yeah, really.

Scott Hammond: And then, um, did Laura Middlemiss' father teach music? I don't know.

Carol Jacobson: Uh, yes.

Scott Hammond: Julie Fulkerson.

Carol Jacobson: L- Leon Wagner.

Scott Hammond: Wagner, that's right.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: That's right, Leon.

Carol Jacobson: He's there. Yep.

Scott Hammond: That's right. And then, uh, Julie Fulkerson's father, w- was

Scott Hammond: he there?

Carol Jacobson: Charles.

Scott Hammond: Was he alive?

Carol Jacobson: He was gone by the, when I came back.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, he was there when I, before I left, and he was lovely, and then when I came back, he'd already retired.

Scott Hammond: All these music legends.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.Super legends

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Carol Jacobson: And yeah. So then I got, uh, I didn't know, there wasn't anything for me to do, 'cause my husband had the job there at Humboldt.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And so I went back to school and got my teaching credential, and that's how I started in the high school.

Scott Hammond: Wow. Wow, second career.

Carol Jacobson: Yep.

Scott Hammond: That's pretty cool. So Arcata High or both?

Carol Jacobson: Arcata High, and then the kids from Mac High would come down in-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … zero period in the morning and join us.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Yeah, our Mack was legend. Still, they still exist, right?

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, we did some great stuff.

Carol Jacobson: It was-

Scott Hammond: Yeah, really cool. So 20 years of that?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Wow. Well, chops to you. That's amazing.

Carol Jacobson: And, and then, then in 2015, everybody started getting those damn smartphones.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: And I

Scott Hammond: You mean like this?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. And I refused to get one. And then people were like-

Scott Hammond: You'll show them.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. It was-

Scott Hammond: The holdout.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, I was. I was a terrible holdout. "We can't call you." I said, "Leave a message at my house." You know, I had a

Carol Jacobson: landline.

Scott Hammond: Call you later.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Maybe.

Carol Jacobson: Maybe, yeah, exactly. And, and, and I was so sick of making people put their cell phones in the basket. I had this basket that I used to keep.

Scott Hammond: Oh, really? Okay.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I love that.

Carol Jacobson: I said, "You're not looking at your music that hard."

Scott Hammond: That's, that's my move. My, my daughter had a 14-year-old birthday, and I, I passed around the basket. I said, "Okay, ladies," you're all sitting on a bench-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … texting each other.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, God.

Scott Hammond: I said, "Put them in the basket." "Mr. Hammond, you can't make us do that." I go, "Watch me. It's my house. You'll get it back, maybe." "Throw it in the basket, now." "Okay. Uh, uh, uh."

Carol Jacobson: I know, yeah.

Scott Hammond: And they all, and they all pitched them in there, and-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … they got their phones, and everything worked out, but-

Carol Jacobson: Oh, that's good

Scott Hammond: … but anymore, it's like people are like-

Carol Jacobson: Ah, I know. Yeah. In e- yeah.

Scott Hammond: Ah.

Carol Jacobson: They can't be without it. No, it's really, it's… Yeah, what can I say?

Scott Hammond: And it ain't kids necessarily.

Carol Jacobson: No. No, I see… I'm sorry. I see these mothers walking with their babies, and, and they don't pay any attention to their babies. They're on their phone the whole time.

Scott Hammond: Oh, man. Oh.

Carol Jacobson: It's really-

Scott Hammond: People walking into traffic downtown.

Scott Hammond: It's crazy.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: Anyway.

Carol Jacobson: Any- yeah, the cell, the story of the cellphone. But eventually, of course, I got one, but a- only after I left high school.

Scott Hammond: So where'd you go to high school, Tracy?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Okay. Came to Humboldt, graduated.

Carol Jacobson: Came to Humboldt, grad-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … no, didn't. Well, I didn't, I didn't graduate-

Scott Hammond: Oh, no, you didn't

Carol Jacobson: … until 1995.

Scott Hammond: So, uh, uh, you fell in love with this guy, and you guys-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … did the world together-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … and came back.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: Is he still around?

Carol Jacobson: No, he died in 2011.

Scott Hammond: I'm sorry.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Kids?

Carol Jacobson: Nope.

Scott Hammond: You must have thousands of kids, actually.

Carol Jacobson: I do.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: I do. I have thousands of kids that I, you know, just like, for example, this last work that we did, the Brahms Requiem.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: There were, like, eight kids in the chorus who'd been in my madrigal choir.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: And I had, you know, one of those proud mother moments.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: And there, there are kids who, there are people who are playing in the symphony too-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … that were in my orchestra, and so-

Scott Hammond: I think Dave said you taught Adam, uh, um, Gunderson.

Carol Jacobson: Yes, I did.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. What's up, Adam? He's in Hawaii now.

Carol Jacobson: Where is he?

Scott Hammond: He's in Hawaii. I think he's a boat-

Carol Jacobson: Oh

Scott Hammond: … he's a sailor of some-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, and he was in the choir, too.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: He was in the madrigal choir.

Scott Hammond: Good singer?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. He was-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … had a lovely voice.

Scott Hammond: Nice. I don't suppose we could get you to sing?

Carol Jacobson: No.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: I'm not a singer. I'm not a trained vocalist.

Scott Hammond: That's okay.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, no, and so, yeah, fi- so-

Scott Hammond: I didn't quite ask.

Scott Hammond: I floated, I floated the ask. We got Brent McFarland to sing, uh, that's what, uh, h- that's how we do it in Humboldt. He opened, uh, the interview, uh, the outlaw cowboy guy, and sang the most beautiful acoustic rendering of that ever, according to my daughter.

Carol Jacobson: Really?

Scott Hammond: Yeah, it was pretty cool.

Carol Jacobson: Well, that's nice.

Scott Hammond: We don't do a lot of performance here.

Carol Jacobson: No. Okay, that's good.

Scott Hammond: But, hey, that's, that's who we are. So, uh, let's talk about who you are. So, uh, the quiz is coming up where you can win a Dick Taylor chocolate bar.

Scott Hammond: Oh, wait. Um, quinoa crunch milk chocolate.

Carol Jacobson: Yes, that's-

Scott Hammond: Would you like that one?

Carol Jacobson: Yes, I like that one.

Scott Hammond: Don't get carried, it isn't yours yet.

Carol Jacobson: Okay. Oh, oh.

Scott Hammond: I'll just put it-

Carol Jacobson: Hey. God, you make life tough.

Scott Hammond: You gotta earn this, man. This is all free. No free lunch or chocolate.

Carol Jacobson: So I, yeah, so I gather.

Scott Hammond: We'll come to the quiz in a minute, but-

Carol Jacobson: Okay

Scott Hammond: … I was gonna ask, so my f- my, my wife Joni, my father-in-law Tom had a great q- question. Two questions.

Carol Jacobson: Okay.

Scott Hammond: Who are you and what do you want? So who, who is Carol Jacobson, and, and what do you want?

Carol Jacobson: Um, Carol Jacobson is somebody who has dedicated her life to music.

Carol Jacobson: And-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … what do I want? I want a purpose in life.

Scott Hammond: Oh, good one. What's your purpose?

Carol Jacobson: My purpose is to make great music in, in Eureka, California,

Carol Jacobson: and-

Scott Hammond: Love it

Carol Jacobson: … and have all the musicians who are here who wanna, who are able to participate at that level join us. It's really, it's… I have no desire to, except for the soloists, I don't wanna bring in, you know, hot shots from hither, thither, and yon, which so many orchestras that start out as community orchestras-

Scott Hammond: Right

Carol Jacobson: … community-based, and then, oh, well, let's hire these people-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … from… 'cause they're, you know. No, I, we just, we are, are, are the music of, of Humboldt County, and, you know, classical symphony music.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And we're the live experience, and there's nothing like live symphony orchestra music. It's fabulous.

Scott Hammond: I love it.

Carol Jacobson: I've always loved to play in symphony orchestras. That's… I mean, of course I love playing chamber music and stuff-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … and the small groups and stuff, but I'm happiest when I'm sitting in a symphony and having all this amazing sound just all around me and just-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … you know, being part of that whole thing, and I just-

Scott Hammond: I love it

Carol Jacobson: … I feel really strongly about it, and, and I just feel like, like this should be for, for-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … this is for all the musicians of Humboldt County who want to play in that, play that kind of, uh, music.

Scott Hammond: I so wanna talk about all this. So, uh, real fast-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … how do we get a… If you're just joining us, my b- new best friend, Carol Jacobson. Eureka Symphony. 35th year?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Crazy. Um, and tell me, how do we get ahold of you or the o- organization if we wanna donate, uh, our treasure or time?

Carol Jacobson: Oh, just, uh, eurekasymphony.org.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: Uh, um, on… Google it.

Scott Hammond: Can you Venmo or PayPal if you want?

Carol Jacobson: Oh, absolutely. And, and, and I really recommend getting tickets for next

Carol Jacobson: season.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: It's people… Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Prepay.

Carol Jacobson: I think you're really gonna love the next season.

Scott Hammond: Oh, pay it forward.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I love it. And so before we, uh, talk about live music, which I wanna talk about-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … real bad.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Um, I just started collecting vinyl.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: And for my birthday, I got a really cool stereo with an Audio Technica turntable, Polk speakers. Thank you, Matt Mullaney and family. Um, and I got Dark Side of the Moon.

Carol Jacobson: Ooh, that's a great one.

Scott Hammond: And then I went to the dark side. My whole… I have, like, five boxes of curated vinyl, of the finest type. I mean, I got The Beatles, I got Led Zeppelin, Ben Morrison-

Carol Jacobson: Ooh

Scott Hammond: … Judy Collins. Now, Judy Collins, there's a girl that can sing.

Carol Jacobson: Yes, that's beautiful.

Scott Hammond: So, um, I'm really appreciating the, the analog experience, being surrounded by music. Just upgraded the speakers-

Carol Jacobson: Oh

Scott Hammond: … so I can really hear it.

Carol Jacobson: Oh.

Scott Hammond: So I really appreciate your comments about, um, live music and having it swirl around you and-

Carol Jacobson: Mm. It's fantastic

Scott Hammond: … and envelop you-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … and have a, have a, a real visceral experience, huh?

Carol Jacobson: Absolutely. It's all about, you know, I mean, you're, you're doing it with all these technical things now, and I'm-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … sure it's wonderful, but there's nothing quite like having that communication between-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … the musicians and the audience there.

Carol Jacobson: It's just-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Carol Jacobson: … it, it's, you know, it's really

Carol Jacobson: d- deep.

Scott Hammond: It's magic.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, it is. It really is magic.

Scott Hammond: It's, it's spiritual.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I mean, I'm going religion on this deal. Let me tell you about my religion, about music.

Carol Jacobson: Music, exactly, yeah.

Scott Hammond: No, and then there's worship, and that's next level for people. I love it, man. So let's do it. Um, we go to the Brit Festival, Joni and I, for the last 15 or so years up in, uh, Jacksonville. Very, uh, very underrated, but three hours away. We're gonna go see, uh-

Carol Jacobson: Oh, I don't think Brit Festival's underrated.

Carol Jacobson: Is it?

Scott Hammond: Well, it's under- under… I, let me… It is not underrated. It's, it's not overrated either.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's, um, it's not known as much on the coast.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, okay.

Scott Hammond: People go, "What?" I usually go, I go to the south, or I go to Redding, or I go

Scott Hammond: some-

Carol Jacobson: Oh

Scott Hammond: … I go-

Carol Jacobson: No, the Brit Festival's lovely.

Scott Hammond: Oh my gosh.

Carol Jacobson: And they have, they have a whole range from, from pop and

Carol Jacobson: rock to, to-

Scott Hammond: And, and-

Carol Jacobson: … classical symphony-

Scott Hammond: And June

Carol Jacobson: … really good symphony

Scott Hammond: … the month of June-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … devoted to symphony.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And they, it looks like they get some rock and roll st- or I mean some rock star symphony people.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, they do. Absolutely.

Scott Hammond: I love that.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, and it's fun. We're gonna go see String Cheese Incident there and, uh, Los Lobos. We're gonna go see… Who else are we gonna see? We're…

Scott Hammond: Oh, Whiskey Myers, very good outlaw country rock and roll stuff.

Carol Jacobson: I don't know that at all.

Scott Hammond: They're really good. Oh, we've seen, uh, Judy Collins with Stephen Stills.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, that's exciting.

Scott Hammond: That was really cool. Sweet Judy Blue Eyes.

Carol Jacobson: Mm.

Scott Hammond: And, um, we actually saw, um, Johnny Depp play in a band.

Carol Jacobson: No kidding. I didn't know he did.

Scott Hammond: He, oh, he's, yeah, he's actually a guitarist. He was discovered in Florida in a coffee shop playing guitar.

Carol Jacobson: Hmm.

Scott Hammond: And then, uh, Keanu Reeves is in a band. Doesn't say word one. He's very modest, but he came up before the show and hung out with all the staff, and just a nice man, so anyway, good venue, and yeah, you already know all about it.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, well, music really does marvelous things to relationships and people, and yeah, no, it's-

Scott Hammond: And that live experience, there's nothing like it.

Carol Jacobson: Nothing like the live experience. It's really true.

Scott Hammond: You go out and get some live music tonight. Um, so backing up to, um, the live music experience, I think, uh, tell me what, what's, what's in a symphony? I mean, a, a class-

Carol Jacobson: Okay

Scott Hammond: … what are the classic elements if we were to, uh, do the anatomy of a full symphony orchestra?

Carol Jacobson: Okay. The, the m- majority of players are string players, and especially violin.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: So that's the biggest group of an orchestra.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: So you have the first and the second violins, and then you have the violas and the cellos and the double basses.

Scott Hammond: Love the cello.

Carol Jacobson: Uh, that's what, that's my instrument. I'm a cellist.

Scott Hammond: I know. Love the cello. Love Dirty Cello. They're great.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: She's great. She's great. But okay, and then you have, uh, a woodwind section.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: I mean, they call it woodwind because flutes used to be wood, and so-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … anyway. But so then you usually have two to three

Carol Jacobson: flutes.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: Depending on, usually it's two, for classical repertoire, it's two.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: And, um, classical term i- in terms of, of, um, year, you know, the, the-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … so, um, but, uh, when we got to the more romantic and the 20th century, then very often they add a third flute or a piccolo plus the two-

Scott Hammond: Ah

Carol Jacobson: … you know, flute. And then we have two oboes-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … and then an English horn on s- on some things.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: Then we have at least two clarinets and sometimes two clarinets and bass clarinet, depending on your repertoire.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: Then we have two bassoons, and very seldom you have a contrabassoon with that. And then the-

Scott Hammond: And those are metal. Those are the big horns? Or are those all-

Carol Jacobson: No, those are the long wooden ones

Scott Hammond: … those are all woodwinds. They're all-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: And-

Scott Hammond: We're not even to the horns yet.

Carol Jacobson: No.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: Now, then we have, we'll usually always have four horns.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: Four French horns.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And, um, speaking of French horn, when Claire joined, Claire Bent joined-

Scott Hammond: Hi, Claire

Carol Jacobson: … the orchestra, uh, when she was a freshman, she came in and she told me that she played clarinet, and I just, I wa- I said, "Claire, you're not a clarinet player." I said, "You're a French horn player."

Scott Hammond: Ah.

Carol Jacobson: And I said, "You've got great ears and you really sing beautifully. You need to sit, play the French horn." So she switched. She went to French horn, and she was-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … a great French horn player-

Scott Hammond: Really? Okay

Carol Jacobson: … for God's sakes. Yeah. It was wonderful.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: Anyway, so that, fr- four horns, then two to three trumpets, depending on your repertoire.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And then, um, three, uh, trombones and one tuba.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And then you have a whole array of percussion instruments.

Scott Hammond: Ah.

Carol Jacobson: And sometimes you can have a harp. We had a harp that was in the-

Scott Hammond: Sure

Carol Jacobson: … uh, Brahms Requiem that we just did.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And sometimes, uh, so we nearly always have

Carol Jacobson: timpani.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And then-

Scott Hammond: These are the big drums?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: The big drum.

Carol Jacobson: That's the big kettle drums.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.And then depending on the repertoire and the, and the, uh, age of the instrument-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … o- of the, of the composition, where you can have snare drums, cymbals, um, uh-

Scott Hammond: A gong

Carol Jacobson: … xylophone, gongs-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … chimes.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: Um, a whole array of things. Triangles, you know.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Wow.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Or those little things with that, that you go, and they're all hanging.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, oh, uh, a wind chimes.

Scott Hammond: A wind chimes, yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Th- oh, we have those, too.

Scott Hammond: Those are cool.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, we have that because those, uh, cer- especially 20th century music-

Scott Hammond: How about a ma-

Carol Jacobson: … and 21st century

Scott Hammond: … marimba?

Carol Jacobson: We do not have a marimba. Uh-

Scott Hammond: But you could, right? I guess d- depending on the repertoire.

Carol Jacobson: There's not usually a marimba as part of the percussion section.

Scott Hammond: Makes sense.

Carol Jacobson: The marimba is us- if there's a marimba, it's a solo instrument.

Scott Hammond: It's at a separate thing.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: But we do have a gorgeous, uh, marimba one xylophone-

Scott Hammond: Oh, cool

Carol Jacobson: … that is just heavenly. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Gor- we've had him on the show.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. Oh, oh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: He's won-

Scott Hammond: Oh, great guy.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: He's great.

Scott Hammond: Hi to Steve Cole, too. Hi, Steve.

Carol Jacobson: Hey. Yes, yes.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Do you know Steve?

Carol Jacobson: Of c- he's on our board.

Scott Hammond: Well, we can't go by without mentioning Steve Cole.

Carol Jacobson: And, and not only that, he just sang in the Requiem. He sings in the-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … Eureka Symphony Chorus.

Scott Hammond: Is that right?

Carol Jacobson: Yep.

Scott Hammond: So I lived with Steve and his former wife, Janet, when I was in college.

Carol Jacobson: Did you really?

Scott Hammond: And they turned me on to Windham Hill Music, the label.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, okay.

Scott Hammond: And I'll have you know, I just got, an hour ago, I just picked up about 17 Windham Hill records, and I'm so excited to take those home and listen to those. Steve Cole, thank you. Small world. It's all cathar-

Carol Jacobson: It is a small world

Scott Hammond: … it's very cathartic here. We'll bring it back together here in a minute. You thought it was random, but it wasn't. No, great guy. And, um, so, uh, to the, to the point of a lot of people say we're full of creativity in

Scott Hammond: Humboldt.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And Humboldt County's right over here. I gotta use my map 'cause if, if I don't, um, I wasted my money on

Scott Hammond: my map.

Carol Jacobson: Okay.

Scott Hammond: So here we go now. So this is Humboldt County.

Carol Jacobson: Yep.

Scott Hammond: It's in Eureka, uh, is, is the county seat.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: There's the bay. That's 101 North to Canada and Oregon, or as they say, Oregon, back east. Uh, 299. Oh, this is up here, Jacksonville. This is where the, the Brit Festival is.

Carol Jacobson: Brit Festival, yeah.

Scott Hammond: In Southern Humboldt, where marijuana started. Maybe ended recently. Um, but that's where we live.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Um, so they say there's a lot of creativity here.

Carol Jacobson: Yes.

Scott Hammond: And a lot of art.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: And that would include musicians.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: So far, so good.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: So is, uh, are you of the mindset that it's, um, based on that quality of person and demographic and talent, that this would be a, a really good symphony? 'Cause you're full of, you're full of creative folk.

Carol Jacobson: True, but, um, classical music, uh, in general requires a certain kind of dedication-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … and practice f- from a long time.

Scott Hammond: Ah.

Carol Jacobson: Um, I compare it to, like, really super good guitar players, you

Carol Jacobson: know, who-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … who, you know, they don't just, you know, whack around and, you know.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: But they, they really study their craft and they-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … you know, know everything. To play reasonably satisfyingly l- the violin or any string instrument-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … you really have to start when you're young.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: And it's not something you can just sort of pick up later in life-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … unfortunately. So depends on the quality of the programs that are available to people to learn these instruments.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Carol Jacobson: And luckily, I have, uh, a group of people who were, had access to this. I'm a little worried about the future

Carol Jacobson: when when I'm long gone.

Scott Hammond: Aren't we all?

Carol Jacobson: No, not, not, not from that perspective.

Scott Hammond: Not that future.

Carol Jacobson: No, no. But when I'm, when I'm lo- when I'm gone, and there's… Because I feel like the schools are really not putting music as a, as a priority.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: And I, m- it makes me very sad.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: A lot of the schools have lost their s- their music programs.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: We don't have, uh, unfortunately, the music academy up at Cal Poly Humboldt that used to be just a thriving beehive of little kids-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … every Saturday-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … taking lessons of all sorts and being a matter of all. They, I'm sorry to say, they've let it fall by the wayside-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … and it doesn't exist anymore.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: So where do kids go for lessons? Where do they-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … learn how to play these instruments? You know, there's such a, a, a skill level required. It's okay to sit in a, in a group of kids, but, uh, you know, you don't really learn everything you need to learn to make it-

Scott Hammond: Right

Carol Jacobson: … um, satisfying.

Scott Hammond: Right. And you can't do it on YouTube.

Carol Jacobson: No.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: No, you really can't.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: And, um, and it's, it's, you know, some kids, they go, "Oh, it's just too out of tune," and, you know, and people don't know how to fix it. You, th- unfortunately, with these kind of instruments, you know, and being really accomplished on the flute or the trumpet or whatever-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … requires that you take lessons.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: So this is a, this is a, this is another level that, that parents and kids have to be willing to invest in, or able to invest in. Let's not say just willing-

Scott Hammond: Right

Carol Jacobson: … but able to-

Scott Hammond: Next level.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, next level.

Scott Hammond: I love it.

Carol Jacobson: And yeah, they have to be able to, um, afford it-

Scott Hammond: Well

Carol Jacobson: … you know, f- and find teachers and make sure that their kids actually do stick with it.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And, um, yeah. And so I do worry about the future-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … um, in that, in that sense.

Scott Hammond: Right. Right.

Carol Jacobson: But, you know, for, for my s- for my purposes, I, I think, you know, for the next 10 years, we're good, but-

Scott Hammond: Good

Carol Jacobson: … and then I'll be dead, so

Scott Hammond: Hopefully not. Hopefully w- we'll be here doing another podcast. I love it. Yeah, the, um-Yeah, that would be a concern.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, a lot of things are going by the wayside.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: All my eight-track tapes are gone. My cassettes.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Bowling, you know, bowling is like going downhill. Uh, it's hard to find an alley.

Carol Jacobson: Bowling is fun, yeah.

Scott Hammond: It is pretty fun.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: You know?

Carol Jacobson: I, I still, I still listen to CDs all the time.

Scott Hammond: Oh, okay. Good.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. I have a CD player in my car. I never wanna get rid of this car because I, I'm worried about ever getting another CD player in my car.

Scott Hammond: Right. I'm holding on like grim death.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, exactly.

Scott Hammond: We have a CD in our, um, in our Honda Odyssey, and I have a big stack of Steely Dan and all kinds of great motivational stuff that I don't wanna… Yeah, Joni, keep that Odyssey.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Man, we love it.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So speaking of C- CDs, Mike Dankas was saying, saying today, so you have, uh, CDs, you have MP3s, and you have vinyl.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And how they're read by, by the needle and the vinyl and how these two are read differently. The tech- tech is all different, and it comes over different to the ear.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And when we're under fluorescent lights like we are now, you kinda know, you know, ah. So some of that is kind of bright music, but vinyl has its own quality, and you liken that to sunlight-

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah

Scott Hammond: … versus neon light. And I thought, "Ooh, that's a good metaphor. I love it." Anyway, speaking of chocolate, are you ready?

Carol Jacobson: I'm ready. Okay.

Scott Hammond: Are you sure?

Carol Jacobson: I hope so.

Scott Hammond: Okay. Okay, this, I'm, this is gonna be kinda tough, so you-

Carol Jacobson: Okay.

Scott Hammond: 100% Humboldt quiz, take one. Okay, so this is a, uh, oh, it's a quinoa crunch milk chocolate, 55% with, uh, do you say Alexandra Farms?

Scott Hammond: They're, uh-

Carol Jacobson: I, I think it-

Scott Hammond: They're the organic milk

Carol Jacobson: … I thought it was Alexander Farms, isn't it?

Scott Hammond: Yeah, it's Alex- D-R-E Farm, fam- anyway.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, Alexandra. Sounds like it to me.

Scott Hammond: A1, A1A2.

Carol Jacobson: Yep.

Scott Hammond: They're, they're in, uh, Ferndale, but they're also up in, um, Smith River is, I think, where they started.

Carol Jacobson: Hmm.

Scott Hammond: First-

Carol Jacobson: Okay

Scott Hammond: … pretty organic. Anyway, delicious, and, uh, here we go.

Scott Hammond: Ready?

Carol Jacobson: Okay, I'm ready.

Scott Hammond: Question number one: what do you like the best about Humboldt, and what could you do without?

Carol Jacobson: What do I like the best? I like the fact that most people here are interested in doing something special.

Scott Hammond: Hmm.

Carol Jacobson: So, um, you know, like you were talking about people being creative.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: People are, like to do-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … you know, whether it's painting or surfing

Carol Jacobson: or whatever.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: You know, it's, they really, they really have interests that, that are, that are, that are exciting, I think.

Scott Hammond: I like that.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: That search for significance.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. I like that. I like that better than being specific, too specific, going, "I, I wanna change the world," 'cause that, that's good, but-

Scott Hammond: … good, good luck.

Carol Jacobson: That's not gonna happen.

Scott Hammond: I'd rather be significant and just do something to pursue something.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, great. So what do you, what could you do without in terms of Humboldt County or h- the, the headspace here? Or anything else.

Carol Jacobson: Let's see.

Scott Hammond: Don't say rain.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, I love rain. I hate hot climates, and I hate being dried out.

Scott Hammond: No wonder you loved Amsterdam.

Scott Hammond: Ugh.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, I did.

Scott Hammond: You're like my son. He loved it there.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, I loved it.

Scott Hammond: You-

Carol Jacobson: I would never have moved back.

Scott Hammond: You people.

Carol Jacobson: No, that's one of the things I do love about Humboldt County.

Scott Hammond: Let's go to Redding. It's 107 today.

Carol Jacobson: No, thank you. You couldn't pay me enough to live there. Not even enough. Yeah, never. Let's see. What can I do without?

Carol Jacobson: Well, I don't know. There's some rude driving.

Scott Hammond: There's a little bit, yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, and-

Scott Hammond: I've seen some of that recently.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, and hmm.

Scott Hammond: People, those tailgaters, man, how do they do that?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So dangerous.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: You know, they can't see in front of me. If I had to brake for a kid or something-

Carol Jacobson: Oh, I know. I know

Scott Hammond: … and they're always at fault. You ra- you ream somebody, psht, you're done.

Carol Jacobson: You're done.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, I don't know. What, what do I… Yeah, I mean, I, well, I would really like to see a lot more of music programs in the schools.

Scott Hammond: There it is.

Carol Jacobson: Uh, that's it. That-

Scott Hammond: There it is

Carol Jacobson: … that, that is it.

Scott Hammond: Nailed it.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: All right, question number two, but first the reset. Hey, if you're just joining us, it's Scott Hammond with my new best friend, Carol Jacobson, from the Eureka Symphony, located in Eureka, California, which is in-

Carol Jacobson: With-

Scott Hammond: … Humboldt County

Carol Jacobson: … with Humboldt County players. From Trinidad, I have a delightful young woman who comes in every week for rehearsals from, uh,

Carol Jacobson: a, was it Whitethorn?

Scott Hammond: Could be. Southern Humboldt.

Carol Jacobson: In Southern Humboldt. Southern Humboldt.

Scott Hammond: That's a good drive.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, it's a good drive.

Scott Hammond: It's probably an hour and a f- quarter, easy.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: Wow. Comes in every time.

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm.

Scott Hammond: And it's a beautiful drive, but it's a long drive.

Carol Jacobson: It's a long drive. She's-

Scott Hammond: And gas ain't cheap here.

Carol Jacobson: No.

Scott Hammond: That's what I don't like. Dang it, with the gas.

Scott Hammond: You people.

Carol Jacobson: Okay. Yeah, anyway, you were saying.

Carol Jacobson: You-

Scott Hammond: Question number two.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: What are you most proud of in your life, and what do you have regrets about?

Carol Jacobson: I really think I'm… Well, there's two things I'm proudest of. One is the degree to which I raised the level of the music program at Arcade

Carol Jacobson: High.

Scott Hammond: Hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And the other is what I've accomplished with the Eureka Symphony-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Carol Jacobson: … in making it really a first-class community orchestra.

Scott Hammond: Sweet. That's beautiful. And what's, uh, any regrets?

Carol Jacobson: Well, I used to regret moving from Amsterdam, from the Netherlands. I really wanted to die there, but-

Scott Hammond: Eight years of tears and eating?

Carol Jacobson: No, three.

Scott Hammond: Three, okay.

Carol Jacobson: It was only three.

Scott Hammond: Three s- That's a lot.

Carol Jacobson: It is.

Scott Hammond: That's a g- grieving.

Carol Jacobson: But, but, but now I no longer regret it because it's taken my life in a whole different direction-

Scott Hammond: Funny

Carol Jacobson: … that I never would've had. You know, the thing is that, that, that I know, so I had a great job in a, in a really good symphony orchestra, andWhen I left, you know, there was an audition, and there were 50 people who coulda taken my place.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: You know, they just, you know, they found a really good cellist, and they just moved

Carol Jacobson: it right in.

Scott Hammond: There it is.

Carol Jacobson: And there it is. I was not necessary there, but I really feel necessary here.

Scott Hammond: Wow. That's a- I like the necessary fact. I like that a lot, yeah. I, I feel, have moments of necessary-

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm

Scott Hammond: … ness. Sometimes it's not necessary for you to be here, Scott.

Scott Hammond: Just step aside, fella. Okay, question number three. Um, if you had the day off-

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm

Scott Hammond: … you get the full day-

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm

Scott Hammond: … to be in that county right there-

Carol Jacobson: Okay

Scott Hammond: … called Humboldt.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: What are you going to do with your time? And, and I, I'll write the check so you do whatever you want. Eat wherever you want, go wherever you want. What would you do with your day?

Carol Jacobson: I would go for a walk with my dog in some place that other dogs that have to be on leash 'cause he doesn't like dogs off leash.

Scott Hammond: He's like… Oh, you're a non-leasher.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, I… No, I'm a leasher.

Scott Hammond: Oh, you are a leasher.

Carol Jacobson: I have to be a leasher. He's-

Scott Hammond: Good for you.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I like that.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. And so-

Scott Hammond: Pet p- pet peeve. What's crushing to me? Non-leashers.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: My wife's a runner in the woods, and guess what people in the woods do with their

Scott Hammond: dogs?

Carol Jacobson: Let 'em off leash. I know. That's why, how come I can't take my, my dog, uh, into, you know, the Redwood Park because there's always dogs off leash, and he does not do well with dogs that he doesn't know off leash.

Scott Hammond: I think pretty sure those people all have special permits to not have leashes. Just like the, just like the yahoos that drive 80 on the corridor-

Carol Jacobson: Right

Scott Hammond: … and tailgate and pass me.

Carol Jacobson: Right.

Scott Hammond: Let me just get started on something right now.

Carol Jacobson: No, but, but, uh, yeah, I've, I've discovered, like I go to Fort Humboldt with my doggy 'cause everybody has to be on leash there.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: And it's really nice.

Scott Hammond: 'Cause it's state park, right?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: That's why I like that. So I would do that, and then I would actually, I would probably practice my cello-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Carol Jacobson: … and do some gardening.

Scott Hammond: Fun.

Carol Jacobson: And then maybe go out to dinner, but I would probably invite s- friends over and cook dinner

Carol Jacobson: for them.

Scott Hammond: What would you have?

Carol Jacobson: I make a mean lasagna.

Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah. Are you Italian?

Carol Jacobson: No.

Carol Jacobson: But-

Scott Hammond: Or as Joni's mom says, I- Italian.

Carol Jacobson: No, but, but, but I have a great recipe, and I've cooked it for, I've baked it and cooked it for, I don't know, most, most of my adult life.

Scott Hammond: Nick and I are getting hungry right now. What do you say, man? Let's smell lasagna. Sounds pretty good. Sounds delicious. Um, funny story about, uh, Ashland, uh,

Scott Hammond: Lithia Park.

Carol Jacobson: Oh.

Scott Hammond: Uh, there's a cello player there on the weekends. He's been there for a, I think, a long time. We just saw him.

Carol Jacobson: I have seen him when I was up in Ashland.

Scott Hammond: Same spot right there in the, kind of in the shade by the-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … little fishback pond.

Carol Jacobson: Yes, yes.

Scott Hammond: And he is, he plays to recorded m- He's pretty darn good. Saw him last couple weeks ago we were up there.

Carol Jacobson: That's really nice that he does that.

Scott Hammond: It is cool. And no dogs allowed in the park.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, really?

Scott Hammond: Yeah, not at all. They have a sign. Why do we not let dogs in here?

Carol Jacobson: Because people let them off leash.

Scott Hammond: Prob- Well, uh, that's for sure, but, uh, what are, what are the reasons? Uh, wildlife.

Carol Jacobson: Mm.

Scott Hammond: Um,

Scott Hammond: poop.

Scott Hammond: Um-

Carol Jacobson: Well, that, that's a pet peeve of mine.

Scott Hammond: Oh, tell me more.

Carol Jacobson: People who don't clean up after their dogs so that, you know, it makes it miserable for all of us responsible dog owners who keep our dogs on-

Scott Hammond: Yeah

Carol Jacobson: … leashes in public places and clean up after them.

Scott Hammond: You-

Carol Jacobson: That's a pet peeve

Scott Hammond: … you people out there.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, that's a pet peeve.

Scott Hammond: We should do a pet peeve podcast. I'd have 'em lined up out the door, Nick. Let me tell you what my pet peeve is. Could bring 'em through and give 'em numbers and just-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … start 'em one at a time and just line 'em up. That's funny.

Carol Jacobson: There we go, yeah.

Scott Hammond: We all have pet peeves.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, we do.

Scott Hammond: Do you have any others that you'd like to share?

Carol Jacobson: No, no, that's, that's, that's a good one I'm thinking about though, yeah.

Scott Hammond: We'll let them come up organically.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Better that way. Hey, question number 17. You get to go to any restaurant you wanna go-

Carol Jacobson: Mm-hmm

Scott Hammond: … with whomever you wanna go.

Carol Jacobson: Okay.

Scott Hammond: Where do you go, what do you eat, and who do you take?

Scott Hammond: In Humboldt-

Carol Jacobson: In Humboldt, yes

Scott Hammond: … County, which is in California.

Carol Jacobson: There's… There's three restaurants that I would have a difficult time choosing between.

Scott Hammond: Call 'em out.

Carol Jacobson: Okay. One is Brick & Fire.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: One is Larrupin's.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And one is Sea Grill.

Scott Hammond: Oh, good ones.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: All right, you've gotta pick one now, so which one do you have to go to? Or actually, let's go all three. What, what do you have at S- Sea Grill? What's good there?

Carol Jacobson: Ugh, their scallops.

Scott Hammond: Ooh, yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I haven't had those in a minute.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And probably good for you.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yes, I don't know.

Scott Hammond: Butter and garlic.

Carol Jacobson: Bar- butter and garlic, just delicious, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Oh, those are great. They used to have a killer s- uh, salad bar.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, and then they had to get rid of it with, uh, COVID.

Scott Hammond: And all the… Yeah. That was a world-class salad bar.

Carol Jacobson: It was, absolutely.

Scott Hammond: It's quite good.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Uh, where do you, what do you have at Larrupin?

Carol Jacobson: I would have probably their, their fish of the day, whatever they

Carol Jacobson: do-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … 'cause they do a fabulous job with that.

Scott Hammond: They really do.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: They know how to cook fish, which is no small thing.

Carol Jacobson: No, and they also have the world's best, uh, crème brûlée.

Scott Hammond: Oh, yeah.

Carol Jacobson: They don't put stuff in it. I hate… I, I'm a purist when it comes to crème brûlée.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: I don't like crème brûlée with lavender or-

Scott Hammond: Right

Carol Jacobson: … crème brûlée with blueberries or cr- You know, it's just, I'm sorry. I'm a French purist.

Scott Hammond: It's another pet peeve.

Carol Jacobson: Another pet peeve. People who stick stuff in crème

Carol Jacobson: brûlée.

Scott Hammond: How dare you?

Carol Jacobson: Damn it.

Scott Hammond: Think about that, you people.

Carol Jacobson: Ruin my crème brûlée.

Scott Hammond: You creative chef. Keep it simple.

Carol Jacobson: And if I went to Brick & Fire, I'd start with their, uh, mushroom, uh, what do they call it?

Scott Hammond: Oh, right.

Carol Jacobson: There's the, that wild mushroom. Uh, I can't remember what they call it.

Carol Jacobson: It's like-

Scott Hammond: Um, I think I know what you're talking about.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: What is it? Is it, is, are they-

Carol Jacobson: They, they put it in, in a, in a little thi– cru– with a crust.

Scott Hammond: Yes.

Carol Jacobson: And, yeah. Oh, it's just to die for. You almost get fill up on that. And then also, I really do love when they have, like, something like, like polenta-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … with, uh, with something really yummy or, um, I've had some, some of their pork there that's been delicious too.

Scott Hammond: Mm. They have this, uh, like I remember these little dumpling sweet potato balls that you would dip in something. They were quite good.

Carol Jacobson: Ooh, that sounds good. Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. No, all good, all three good. Love it. Yeah, d- p- d- watch it with the crème brûlée.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. Yeah, it, uh-

Scott Hammond: Keep it pure.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, the, the guy who owns Larrupin's, his daughter was in my orchestra for-

Scott Hammond: Oh, Paul.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, Paul.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: His daughter.

Scott Hammond: Hey, Paul.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, and, and, um, and, and I took her to, I think it was Amsterdam she went with me and, with the orchestra.

Scott Hammond: Oh, that's sweet.

Carol Jacobson: And she was lovely, violinist.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And then, uh, after I stopped doing the orchestra, then I went up there, and she was up there, and she was making the desserts.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: So she made beautiful crème brûlée.

Scott Hammond: This whole team, they're amazing.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, they do a great job.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, they do.

Scott Hammond: Well, let me be the first to congratulate you on your new Dick Taylor chocolate bar.

Carol Jacobson: Ooh, how lovely.

Scott Hammond: This is-

Carol Jacobson: Thank you

Scott Hammond: … this is for you. Don't eat it b- b- between now and home.

Carol Jacobson: Can I eat it now?

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Carol Jacobson: No, no.

Scott Hammond: Well, pop that baby open-

Carol Jacobson: No, no

Scott Hammond: … and go for it.

Carol Jacobson: No, I'm not.

Scott Hammond: I think we did that on the show one time.

Carol Jacobson: Did you?

Scott Hammond: Did we crack a bar? I think we may have. Anyway, it was delicious. Great guys, really kind-hearted people. Um, so if you're just joining us, and you would be very late in joining-

Scott Hammond: … the podcast.

Carol Jacobson: We've been yakking for a while, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, we have. My new best friend, Carol Jacobson, uh, from the Eureka Symphony, located in Eureka, California, Humboldt County, USA.

Carol Jacobson: Yes.

Scott Hammond: And, uh, I had another question for you.

Carol Jacobson: What?

Scott Hammond: Um, and I'm going to make segue into your legacy in a minute and talk about

Scott Hammond: all that, but in the meantime, I was one more question about live music, and it slipped me. Oh, day off,

Scott Hammond: Larrupin. Um, I guess I'll get to it. Let's talk about your legacy. How do you wanna be remembered?

Carol Jacobson: Mm. I wanna be remembered as somebody who brought wonderful musical experiences to, to, to Humboldt

Carol Jacobson: County.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And, and, and, uh, like th- and, and all the kids that I taught, that-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … so many of them are going on still playing. I mean, some of them have n- stopped.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: But I, I don't expect ki- I don't expect kids to be professionals. They, you know… It- that's a hard road.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: And there are several who are, you know, doing the, the professional musician route-

Scott Hammond: Mm

Carol Jacobson: … who, who came up through my high school program.

Scott Hammond: Would that be Claire?

Carol Jacobson: What?

Scott Hammond: Would that be Claire Bent?

Carol Jacobson: One is Claire Bent, who's gonna be singing with us next season.

Carol Jacobson: And-

Scott Hammond: She sings in, like, five bands or something.

Carol Jacobson: I know. What can I say? And one is Otis Harriel, who's actually gonna be playing with us next season.

Carol Jacobson: Uh-

Scott Hammond: Okay

Carol Jacobson: … professional violinist. Then there's Clara Lyle, who's a professional opera singer.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: She's in New York. And several o- Let's see. Who else can I think of?

Scott Hammond: Was Jenny Shimins from here, right?

Carol Jacobson: Yes, she is, but she was also– She was, uh, launched long before I got

Carol Jacobson: around.

Scott Hammond: She was-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … Was she from Southern Humboldt?

Carol Jacobson: I- originally, she was from-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … Petrolia.

Scott Hammond: Okay.

Carol Jacobson: The, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. And about three or four years ago, she played with us. We did a, a jazz thing.

Scott Hammond: Oh, right.

Carol Jacobson: I mean, yeah. She– And it was really great. She's amazing.

Scott Hammond: That would be fun.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So, uh, who else? Um, what about Huckleberry Flint, any of those guys?

Carol Jacobson: I don't know. I don't know any of them.

Scott Hammond: They're, they're all bluegrass.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah. See, you know, that's wh- that's one thing too. Uh, we have s- such a variety of music here.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

Carol Jacobson: You know? But the one thing we don't have a lot of is classical music.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: You know?

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And so I feel very proud that we have, that I have, that we have a symphony that I feel very proud of.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: And, uh, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Who are– What's the repertoire next season? Do you, do, do you know that this early, or do you have ideas?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, it, it's all, it's all-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … it's all right in that-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … everything is there.

Scott Hammond: Great. Here, you tell, you, you tell me w- who's coming.

Carol Jacobson: Okay.

Scott Hammond: Who's coming to town? What are we hearing?

Carol Jacobson: All right, coming to town. Uh, the first concert is, um, we're gonna have Terry Vaughn, our concertmaster, who's gonna be playing a concerto for violin and French horn-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … with a really fine French horn player who lives, I don't know, Oklahoma or someplace now.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And she's gonna come out and do that. And we're gonna be playing a Beethoven symphony and that kind of stuff, but this is a really interesting concerto.

Scott Hammond: What's the date? I'm reading upside down.

Scott Hammond: October?

Carol Jacobson: Uh, October 2nd and 3rd. First weekend of October always.

Scott Hammond: Coming right up.

Carol Jacobson: Coming right up.

Scott Hammond: Before you know it, it's almost Christmas, you know.

Scott Hammond: It's June.

Carol Jacobson: Don't depress me.

Scott Hammond: It's Christmas. You know it's coming. It's coming.

Carol Jacobson: And then our next concert, which is the first weekend of December, that is the one that we're, Claire Bent's gonna join us.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: And she's gonna be-

Scott Hammond: Is that her photo in the program?

Carol Jacobson: Yep, yep.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: And she's gonna be– That's gonna be this whole, whole, whole second half of the concert's gonna be devoted to her singing, you know, really favorites, holiday favorites.

Scott Hammond: Oh, nice.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: That'll be fun.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, it'll really be fun.

Scott Hammond: That's really special.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah, it is. And then, uh, our next concert is gonna be the first weekend of March.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: We're gonna be doing concert version. We're gonna be doing an all-American program.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: There's this wonderful m- man. He was actually a history teacher at, uh, Arcata High when I was there, Jim

Carol Jacobson: West.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: And he has, is sponsoring us to do, um, an all-American program.

Scott Hammond: Oh, nice.

Carol Jacobson: And we're gonna do Copland and-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … uh, and then we're gonna do, after the intermission, we're gonna do the concert version, which is only 45 minutes long, of Porgy and

Carol Jacobson: Bess-

Scott Hammond: Oh, nice

Carol Jacobson: … with two soloists from the Bay Area.

Scott Hammond: Very American.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And then we're going to do, um-A r- a program with Otis Harriel, who's from here.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And he's gonna be playing, uh, this flash and dashy concerto, Symphonie espagnole, and, and we're doing some really fun things and-

Scott Hammond: Mucho gusto. Muy bueno.

Scott Hammond: Olé.

Carol Jacobson: And, and that, th- that's gonna be the o- one of the concerts that we will adapt for, we do the Schools to Symphony program, where we

Carol Jacobson: bring-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … any of the kids who I… It's especially geared to fourth through sixth grade.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: But really lots of, lots of ages come to it, is, uh, and we provide, uh- … with the Humboldt County Office of

Carol Jacobson: Education-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … we provide that for all Humboldt County kids who wanna come.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: Uh, free of charge. They don't ha- you know-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … field, field trips are expensive.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Carol Jacobson: And so the buses are paid for, the, the-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … every- everything is paid for, including, you know, like if the teachers have to hi- hire a substitute or something-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … then so-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … we, we have, we have dedicated funds for that so that we can have two sellout houses, uh-

Scott Hammond: Wow

Carol Jacobson: … in the m- on the morning they come, they come to the Arkley, and, uh,

Carol Jacobson: and we do.

Scott Hammond: Special.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And what a theater that is.

Carol Jacobson: It's beautiful.

Scott Hammond: Thanks, Rob.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And Sherry.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: No, it's a really beautiful place.

Scott Hammond: No, it's-

Carol Jacobson: I'm so, we're so… I mean, I can't imagine not playing there.

Scott Hammond: Acoustically it's quite good, right?

Carol Jacobson: It really is. I just wish the stage was larger. We really had to squish for the Brahms Requiem. The poor chorus. Oh, my God.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: I bet, yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, they had to squeeze.

Scott Hammond: So, uh, quick reverting to the qui- So if we want more information-

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah

Scott Hammond: … let's talk about that, and then I wanna talk about Amsterdam one more time.

Carol Jacobson: Okay. Oh, yeah, and I wanna do a shout-out to, uh, Ryan McAvoy McCullough.

Scott Hammond: Hey, Ryan.

Carol Jacobson: And he's, he's, he grew up here too.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: And he's, he's really doing a fantastic job. He's in New York with his wife Lucy, who just sang with us. They're both real profession-

Scott Hammond: And then-

Carol Jacobson: … fab- fabulous professionals

Scott Hammond: … he's doing a show in-

Carol Jacobson: And he's, yeah, he's doing a piano concerto with us

Scott Hammond: … a month from today. Tomorrow.

Carol Jacobson: Hmm? No.

Scott Hammond: Or is it today the 4th? Or a year from today.

Carol Jacobson: A year from today.

Scott Hammond: Not a month.

Carol Jacobson: No, a year.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Wow.

Carol Jacobson: He's our f- he's our culminating concert of the

Carol Jacobson: season.

Scott Hammond: I like the fact that you got your whole m- map there. You got your-

Carol Jacobson: Oh, yeah. You g- you've got to

Scott Hammond: … you're a map dot.

Carol Jacobson: You've got to.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. You can't mess around.

Carol Jacobson: No. I'm already working on season 27, 28.

Scott Hammond: Wow. I love your energy. That deserves a Larrupin. And Seagrove.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: And Brick and Fire.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And Two Doors Down.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Starting there.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: So, uh, no, wonderful. And I wanna go back to food real quick.

Scott Hammond: So, um-

Carol Jacobson: Yes

Scott Hammond: … Amsterdam is full of food.

Carol Jacobson: Yes, it is.

Scott Hammond: And some of the best food arguably in a lotta pla- in, anywhere. Um, we really enjoyed eating our way through Netherlands and Belgium. And the frites, the F- the french fries that you dip in mayonnaise.

Carol Jacobson: Yep. I, I, I, I eschew the mayonnaise.

Scott Hammond: Eschew.

Carol Jacobson: But, but, but, but I do love the french fries.

Scott Hammond: That's the word. I haven't heard that word for a little while.

Carol Jacobson: And, uh, but w- I'm addicted to the bitterballen.

Scott Hammond: Bitterballen's so good with, with some good beer.

Scott Hammond: Oh.

Carol Jacobson: Good beer and, and, and, uh, and Dutch mustard.

Scott Hammond: The, uh, the Dutch, oh, yummy. Bitterballen, they're so good.

Carol Jacobson: Ah, that's an addiction.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. We had that in Oliver's, which is a church, uh, was a church, a Protestant church in Utrecht.

Carol Jacobson: Oh.

Scott Hammond: And it's, it's a beautiful beer joint now. And bit- the bitterballen was delicious.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, they're so good.

Scott Hammond: Oh, and they're good for you. Well.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. Yeah, they're, they're good to put on weight, that's for real. But well, what, what can I say?

Scott Hammond: But they're delicious.

Carol Jacobson: They are.

Scott Hammond: And everywhere is, you go, uh, you're on a train, which I, Joni and I really like that.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. The first, the first eight years when we lived in Amsterdam, my husband and I, we didn't own a car.

Scott Hammond: Why would you?

Carol Jacobson: We didn't need it.

Scott Hammond: Why would you have a car?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. We got a car when we moved out to the country.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: You know, but.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and, uh, the pastries there are quite good.

Carol Jacobson: Yes. Oh, yes.

Scott Hammond: Oh, my gosh.

Carol Jacobson: And fabulous bread.

Scott Hammond: And the breads? Oh.

Carol Jacobson: And, uh, you know, uh, when I w- when we, when we lived in, in Amsterdam,

Carol Jacobson: I met the person, the, the owner of Los Bagels. I think maybe he's P, uh-

Scott Hammond: Dennis Real?

Carol Jacobson: Dennis Real. He had a restaurant called-

Scott Hammond: Yes

Carol Jacobson: … Cafe Pacifico-

Scott Hammond: Yes, he did

Carol Jacobson: … in Amsterdam, and my husband and I ate there frequently.

Scott Hammond: That's funny.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. And then when I, we came, we moved back to Amsterdam, and I saw, saw Los Bagels, and I saw him, and I said, "Didn't you used to live in Amsterdam?" Yeah.

Scott Hammond: He did for a minute, right?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Was it Mexican food?

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. It was fa- it was the only place at that time you could get decent Mexican food.

Scott Hammond: Right.

Carol Jacobson: 'Cause they didn't really know what Mexican food was-

Scott Hammond: Right

Carol Jacobson: … for forever.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: And then he brought that, and now, now there's more Mexican restaurants, but

Carol Jacobson: still.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: At, at risk of offending anyone up here-

Carol Jacobson: Small world

Scott Hammond: … I'm from San Diego, and, and Humboldt is, is, it's working toward good Mexican

Scott Hammond: food. Is that… I'm saying it gent- in a gentle sort of snobby San Diego way.

Carol Jacobson: That's okay. That's okay. We all have our pretrice- preferences and

Carol Jacobson: prejudices.

Scott Hammond: That's right. Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: So.

Scott Hammond: I'll go, yeah, and pure, um, uh, crème brûlée all

Scott Hammond: the time.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Scott Hammond: Let's, let's keep it, keep it-

Carol Jacobson: Crème brûlée and bitterballen.

Scott Hammond: Mm.

Carol Jacobson: What a combination.

Scott Hammond: There's a, there's a combination that would be delicious.

Carol Jacobson: No, ugh.

Scott Hammond: So how do we, uh, send you, uh, money and treasure and time? And I have a brand-new Jag if I wanna, you know, uh, cash my car in to-

Carol Jacobson: Well, you contact, you just go Google, and you go to eurekasymphony.org.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: You've gotta go to the .org.

Scott Hammond: The .org.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: It's not a com.

Carol Jacobson: A- a- and you can, you can get y- sign on and-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … you know, you click on, and there's, you know, it talks about all the concerts. It shows you how to get tickets for the next season.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And you have to be really careful. There's, uh, unbelievable, there are these scams these days for, for-

Scott Hammond: Right

Carol Jacobson: … tickets to the Eureka Symphony, for God's sakes.

Scott Hammond: Hmm.

Carol Jacobson: You know? And they sell you tickets that don't exist. Uh, and for like-

Scott Hammond: Seen that

Carol Jacobson: … and so often for double the price that we charge.

Scott Hammond: Right, right.

Carol Jacobson: You know, it's crazy.

Scott Hammond: Yeah, the Britt, uh, cautions against that 'cause they have, uh, scammers out

Scott Hammond: there.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: What's an average ticket cost? We d- we didn't ask that

Carol Jacobson: Well, um, it goes everywhere from, it's, uh, the h- the h- the, the high-priced spread, let me, uh, get that up there, is, uh, is $54 down to $21.

Scott Hammond: It's a bargain.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. But, and if you come at the last minute, you can, what do they call them?

Carol Jacobson: Uh-

Scott Hammond: Standing room on layer.

Carol Jacobson: No. No, no. You get the best, the best seat that's available-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … for a c- you have to pay cash, and, uh, yes, what do they call it? Rush tickets, yes.

Carol Jacobson: And-

Scott Hammond: Ah

Carol Jacobson: … starting at 6:00 PM before each concert.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: Cash only, adults $15, and students with student

Carol Jacobson: ID, $10.

Scott Hammond: Get out of town. That's a bargain.

Carol Jacobson: It is a bargain.

Scott Hammond: That's a killer deal.

Carol Jacobson: So e- even if you don't feel like you can afford a season ticket-

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm

Carol Jacobson: … but if you get a season ticket, if, y- you'll get a discount, a 15% discount if you get a five, five-concert season.

Scott Hammond: Oh, that's a really-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah

Scott Hammond: … good bargain.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And a way to support the symphony.

Carol Jacobson: Yes.

Scott Hammond: I love it. And you don't have to stay at a hotel.

Carol Jacobson: Nope.

Scott Hammond: You don't have to eat at a restaurant.

Carol Jacobson: Nope.

Scott Hammond: You don't have to go out of town.

Carol Jacobson: Nope.

Scott Hammond: You can drive to Eureka

Scott Hammond: and go home.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah. And you know what else? Uh, our orchestra manager, Nancy Stevenson, who's done some really

Carol Jacobson: wonderful-

Scott Hammond: Hi

Carol Jacobson: … wonderful stuff.

Scott Hammond: Hi, Nancy.

Carol Jacobson: Hi, Nancy.

Scott Hammond: I know Nancy. We know Nancy.

Carol Jacobson: Anyway, she started this whole thing for shuttle

Carol Jacobson: service-

Scott Hammond: Hmm

Carol Jacobson: … for people who, uh-

Scott Hammond: Oh

Carol Jacobson: … don't feel like they can really drive at night anymore.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: And w- they go, for now, I think they go as far south out of Humboldt Hill to, like… I don't think they go all the way to Fortuna.

Carol Jacobson: Maybe.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm.

Carol Jacobson: But you could call her and ask, call the office and ask. And they go up to Trinidad, I believe.

Scott Hammond: Wow.

Carol Jacobson: So, so that, so that there's a shuttle.

Scott Hammond: Great.

Carol Jacobson: You have to order it in advance.

Scott Hammond: Sure.

Carol Jacobson: And then the shuttle will come and pick you up, and it, you, we usually have about eight or nine passengers a night per, per concert.

Scott Hammond: Very cool.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, it is, it's great.

Scott Hammond: That's a great idea.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Yeah. Get, get, get everybody out there.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: Well, cool. Well, thank you for being here.

Carol Jacobson: Oh, thank you for having me, Scott.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: It was really fun.

Scott Hammond: Really a delight.

Carol Jacobson: I had no idea we had all these connections, you know?

Carol Jacobson: And-

Scott Hammond: It's Humboldt, man. It's- It's like seven layers of Kevin Bacon, and now it's just two layers in Humboldt.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: 'Cause I know Nancy, and I know Steve Cole, and-

Carol Jacobson: Yeah, yeah, all those people

Scott Hammond: … and we both know David Turner and Cheryl.

Carol Jacobson: Yeah.

Scott Hammond: And it's that small world.

Carol Jacobson: And we both know Claire.

Scott Hammond: Mm-hmm, and we both know Claire, and hi, everybody. Well, thanks for being here.

Carol Jacobson: Thank you for having me.

Scott Hammond: Yeah.

Carol Jacobson: It's been a real pleasure.

Scott Hammond: Thank you. Scott Hammond with 100% Humboldt, and thanks for joining us. And if you're just joining us, you're way too late. You missed the whole show. If you're just joining us, what you could do is leave a nice comment or subscribe to us. We're on all the platforms for, uh, podcasts, including Access Humboldt, local TV. Uh, thanks to those guys. They're amazing, and YouTube, and my great producer, Nick Flores. Uh, don't say enough nice things about him. But, uh, if you wanna send, uh, your time, treasure, or your jag, uh, you could do that too, 'cause none of this happens for free. And, uh, like us, love us, and see you next time. Scott Hammond, 100% Humboldt. Thanks again, Carol.

Carol Jacobson: Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.